Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[TahoeDust]

This will be a major discovery if it turns out to be the case. Those temps look really good for those clocks @avx stress testing.

I am running more tests this afternoon. 1hr of Realbench and 1hr of Prime95 before and after with the only changes being the Mesh voltage and LLC.

 

[Timmah!]

I'm thinking that the 7940X is going to be interesting given the benches with the 7900X vs Ryzen/TR.

The 7940X has 4 more cores and similar clocks to the 7900X.

It would be my choice, if it was not so freaking expensive. 7920x price is the max i am willing to potentially pay, and even that is too much. Anyway, 7940x´s ability to run 12 cores at 4GHz out of the box looks mint.

 

[LTC8K6]

Isn't the 7740X now the best gaming CPU by a small margin over the 7700K?

 

[dullard]

It would be my choice, if it was not so freaking expensive. 7920x price is the max i am willing to potentially pay, and even that is too much. Anyway, 7940x´s ability to run 12 cores at 4GHz out of the box looks mint.

Going by specs alone (from http://www.anandtech.com/show/11698...cations-18cores-44-ghz-165w-on-september-25th), the 7940X is the Intel HEDT chip to get. These bullet points are for Intel and HEDT only:

• For 1-4 core needs: the 7740X is fastest and cheapest. But, just wait for Coffee Lake.
• For 5-6 core needs: all of the 7800X and above chips are about the exact same turbo speed. But again, just wait for Coffee Lake.
• For 7-14 core needs: the 7940X is the fastest, is the most future proof, and isn't that much more expensive unless you really can get away with the 7820X.
• For 15-18 core needs: just get the 7980XE since the 7940X can't do it.

The only time the 7900X or 7920X win is in price/performance is in very specific cases (where you know you need exactly 10 or 12 cores and never more); since they never win in performance and are only slightly cheaper.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Isn't the 7740X now the best gaming CPU by a small margin over the 7700K?

Meh the same until the 8700K hits the market

 

[Arachnotronic]

Isn't the 7740X now the best gaming CPU by a small margin over the 7700K?

Not really, they're dead even. Overclocked the 7740X edges out the 7700K tho.

 

[Ranulf]

Isn't the 7740X now the best gaming CPU by a small margin over the 7700K?

When overclocked, barely. At a price increase of $40+ more for the chip and roughly $30-50 more for a mobo. Oh, and the 7740k has no igpu.

 

[Zucker2k]

Intel fans waiting on the 8700k like the second coming of Christ

 

[LTC8K6]

Not really, they're dead even. Overclocked the 7740X edges out the 7700K tho.

But are they getting all they can out of the 7740X when they bench it?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/kaby-lake-x-owners-thread.2513657/#post-39023193

Have any benches been done by reviewers with that sort of ram speed?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Intel fans waiting on the 8700k like the second coming of Christ

I'm a gaming performance fan, if you don't mind

 

[LTC8K6]

When overclocked, barely. At a price increase of $40+ more for the chip and roughly $30-50 more for a mobo. Oh, and the 7740k has no igpu.

Well, no one even considers an Intel IGP with any mildly serious gaming.

 

[Ranulf]

Well, duh. But it is useful for emergencies and troubleshooting. Its a handy feature that you're losing while paying more money for the chip.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, duh. But it is useful for emergencies and troubleshooting. Its a handy feature that you're losing while paying more money for the chip.

Yeah, I love Intel's IGP and that's what I use it for.

I just think that if this memory bench is any indication, the 7740X will probably handily beat the 7700K in games due to being able to run much faster ram?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/kaby-lake-x-owners-thread.2513657/#post-39023193

 

[wildhorse2k]

In Central Europe Intel seems to have better distribution network than AMD (less greedy) so as a result Intel gets an advantage here. A 1950X is $1300, 7900X is $1150. Official $ prices are relevant for US, but elsewhere they don't apply. Therefore 7940X will be a good competitor as price difference will be small in overall cost.

It's also very positive that 7980XE will get released much sooner than initially thought, in 1.5 months.

 

[dullard]

When overclocked, barely. At a price increase of $40+ more for the chip and roughly $30-50 more for a mobo. Oh, and the 7740k has no igpu.

The 7740X is cheaper than the 7700k at B&H, about the same price at Newegg, and only $19 more at Amazon. They both have the exact same recommended customer price by Intel, although that is up to the retailer.

Your other points are valid though.

 

[Zucker2k]

Someone at Intel has a bad sense of humor I think the 7960x should be nicknamed T-Rex or something similar to a ruthless hunter hehe. The 7960x submissions only targeted those benchmarks where Threadripper submissions had been made. Savage!
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/ryzen_threadripper_1950x/

Spoiler

WPrime - 32m

WPrime - 1024m

Cinebench - R11.5

Cinebench - R15

HWBOT x265 Benchmark 1080p

HWBOT x265 Benchmark 4K

HWBOT Prime

Geekbench3 - Multicore

 

[Anarchist Mae]

You can get 15% more performance and all you have to do is spend 70% more!

Do CPUs this expensive just exist to say "look, we're faster" even if nobody actually buys them in any meaningful quantity. Or have they sold well previously?

To possibly head off a criticism/preemptively straw man you all: I know people like to bring up the supercar analogy, but I think driving a McLaren P1 is a vastly different experience to driving a regular but still expensive sports car. With a CPU like this you're shaving off a few seconds of off long running tasks at best.

 

[Zucker2k]

You can get 15% more performance and all you have to do is spend 70% more!

Do CPUs this expensive just exist to say "look, we're faster" even if nobody actually buys them in any meaningful quantity. Or have they sold well previously?

To possibly head off a criticism/preemptively straw man you all: I know people like to bring up the supercar analogy, but I think driving a McLaren P1 is a vastly different experience to driving a regular but still expensive sports car. With a CPU like this you're shaving off a few seconds of off long running tasks at best.

Nope! The $1,700 6950x was Intel's best-selling HEDT chip. 15% is a big deal for those who just can't have enough processing power in this niche space. Also if you're going to go crazy and spend upwards of $5k on a new system, $700 for 15%+ more performance is bearable.

 

[VirtualLarry]

You can get 15% more performance and all you have to do is spend 70% more!

Do CPUs this expensive just exist to say "look, we're faster" even if nobody actually buys them in any meaningful quantity. Or have they sold well previously?

To possibly head off a criticism/preemptively straw man you all: I know people like to bring up the supercar analogy, but I think driving a McLaren P1 is a vastly different experience to driving a regular but still expensive sports car. With a CPU like this you're shaving off a few seconds of off long running tasks at best.

Intel fans want nothing but the best, even if they have to pay 200% more than their closest competitor. Only 70% more is a bargain to them!

 

[Anarchist Mae]

Nope! The $1,700 6950x was Intel's best-selling HEDT chip. 15% is a big deal for those who just can't have enough processing power in this niche space. Also if you're going to go crazy and spend upwards of $5k on a new system, $700 for 15%+ more performance is bearable.

I have to ask, are there numbers somewhere to back that up? Because wow.

 

[jpiniero]

I have to ask, are there numbers somewhere to back that up? Because wow.

Basically e-penis.

 

[Edrick]

Intel fans want nothing but the best, even if they have to pay 200% more than their closest competitor. Only 70% more is a bargain to them!

If you want the best, you pay for the best. Simple.

And did you pull 200% number out of your ass?

 

[VirtualLarry]

And did you pull 200% number out of your ass?

Essentially, but I was also referring to the pre-Ryzen pricing disparity between BDW-E and AMD's FX 8-cores.

 

[Edrick]

Essentially, but I was also referring to the pre-Ryzen pricing disparity between BDW-E and AMD's FX 8-cores.

Well, the performance difference was much greater then. Also, pre-Ryzen seems like ancient history now.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Essentially, but I was also referring to the pre-Ryzen pricing disparity between BDW-E and AMD's FX 8-cores.

Yea, that is a real logical comparison. No difference in performance there to justify the higher price. /s