Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[TheF34RChannel]

I have no "need" for a 7820x...but I also had no "need" for my 2700k when I bought it 5.5 years ago. I don't make purchases for what I "need" today, but what will fulfill my needs into the future.

Well said! That is precisely what I am aiming for. Coming from an i5 today I will see the biggest advancement from a 7820X in having HT back. Tomorrow is entirely different ball game where more cores may come in handy (all referring to gaming) - things like Civilization eat up more cores like it's nothing, for example.

Naa. I am pretty sure the prices here are here to stay. Intel is usually highly professional about such stuff and prefers stable prices. They care for their brand.
Rather than cut margins they will sell a bit less and introduce some new stuff with new names.

I went and checked prices on the now previous HEDT SKUs from release to today in a graph and there wasn't much difference aside from the expected minor ups and downs. So I unfortunately have to agree with you.

 

[ManyThreads]

There are lots of problems in Ryzen, not just memory, some have already been fixed. X99 is old technology. I expected better from AMD. For me AMD proved it can't deliver a stable and reliable product. People who bought 1700 don't care as it is still good value, but those shopping for Threadripper will care more.

What problems are you referring to? You can already use RAM up to 4000 Mhz. I'm not aware of any other issues that aren't simply design choices to reflect the low prices. A family member has had Ryzen since release day and has had zero stability/reliability issues with both CPU and RAM overclocked. I have been doing dozens of hours of research on Ryzen since release and *almost* bought one until Skylake-X got bumped up to June. If I had to wait until August I would have still gone Ryzen. This is assuming benchmarks and OC potential are as expected of course. I think Ryzen announced one month too early, but it was fully functional/stable from day one and AMD did a pretty phenomenal job getting updates out in a timely manner for OCers and enthusiasts.

 

[krumme]

Don't worry, I get a lot of use out of my PCs

I didnt worry for your physical health - after all you dont smoke and drink
Upgrading/changing is fine and all but there is other ways.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Any idea when board and chip reviews come in?

 

[formulav8]

Any idea when board and chip reviews come in?

Most likely when the CPU's can be reviewed, unless you mean chipset overviews. Intel will allow full reviews with CPU reviews the end of next month IIRC.

 

[krumme]

Well said! That is precisely what I am aiming for. Coming from an i5 today I will see the biggest advancement from a 7820X in having HT back. Tomorrow is entirely different ball game where more cores may come in handy (all referring to gaming) - things like Civilization eat up more cores like it's nothing, for example.



I went and checked prices on the now previous HEDT SKUs from release to today in a graph and there wasn't much difference aside from the expected minor ups and downs. So I unfortunately have to agree with you.

Get the gear on launch day !
Be the first to get a 7820x.

 

[Sweepr]

Any idea when board and chip reviews come in?

June 11/12 according to BenchLife.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Get the gear on launch day !
Be the first to get a 7820x.

See below. Also, usually availability is low and prices stupidly high here the first few weeks+ where I live.

June 11/12 according to BenchLife.

Thanks, that would be great to have reviews out before we can obtain them. I don't like to buy blindly and purely on specs and expectations.

 

[formulav8]

June 11/12 according to BenchLife.

I was a few days off then. Not sure why I thought end of June. Thanks for posting.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Going back and forth already myself. I don't need 10C and the price difference is huge. Better to get a 7820X in my case. That's decided then.

As for price drops, yeah that'd be good. Maybe when we get more TR stuff out?

I'm thinking that if AMD gets overly aggressive with pricing, Intel has room to drop their prices. Yeah, they'll still be higher than the equivalent AMD CPU but the premium will be smaller. I could see Intel drop the 10 core to $899 or maybe even $850.

I've got a Ryzen setup too (went with a 1500x because I needed a cheap second gaming system fast), and I can see myself upgrading to a 1700 soon given the sales I've seen.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I was a few days off then. Not sure why I thought end of June. Thanks for posting.

I think the end of June is supposed to be when they're available in retail.

 

[AdamK47]

Get the gear on launch day !
Be the first to get a 7820x.

When will that be? Has Intel officially announced it?

 

[cytg111]

I still struggle to find need for more than 4/8 in anything not encoding... maybe that will change now that the core race is on.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

When will that be? Has Intel officially announced it?

Says Q2: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/123588/Intel-Core-X-series-Processors

I still struggle to find need for more than 4/8 in anything not encoding... maybe that will change now that the core race is on.

That's what I'm expecting as well. Remember we used to think and say we didn't need more than 2C additionally, for gaming, consoles have 8C. Could be just useful for streamers etc.

 

[TahoeDust]

So, what retailers usually have the best launch availability? Do many take preorders? I have a lot of backed up upgrade aggression.

 

[AdamK47]

Micro Center has them on realease day.

Says Q2: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/123588/Intel-Core-X-series-Processors

That's a wide window. I would think there is a more precise answer.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Micro Center has them on realease day.



That's a wide window. I would think there is a more precise answer.

The good news is that Q2 ends on June 30

 

[Arachnotronic]

I still struggle to find need for more than 4/8 in anything not encoding... maybe that will change now that the core race is on.

Honestly, I doubt it. AMD is pushing this "more cores" thing and Intel has to respond, so it's bringing in traditionally server-oriented SKUs to the enthusiast market so that AMD doesn't get a marketing edge.

For most tasks outside of encoding, 7700K is the way to go.

 

[TahoeDust]

Micro Center has them on realease day.

Damn...the closest one is about 6 hours away. I remember you from ls1gto...still have the car?

 

[moonbogg]

The lack of solder has really cooled my jets regarding this release. I was prone to doing something impulsive on release day. I said "was". Now I will simply have to see how these chips perform thermally under a high OC. I'm having thoughts of an 8 core skylake@4.6 hitting upper 70's low 80's while just gaming under custom water. That simply won't do it for me. I don't like the idea of de-lidding. Intel has a performance tuning protection plan, not a disassemble and insert your own goo protection plan. I'd consider bare die cooling, but I think bare die cooling can also lead to bare die cracking. Oh wells. Guess they pasted these fancy new chips. Too bad.

 

[Sweepr]

That's a wide window. I would think there is a more precise answer.

June 26.

 

[AdamK47]

Damn...the closest one is about 6 hours away. I remember you from ls1gto...still have the car?

Sold it. Bought an SS (another Holden).

June 26.

Nice! Thanks.

 

[Insomniator]

I'll jump on a 6 or 8 core if/when Microcenter has a deal (20 mins away) and I decide to upgrade my 2500k.

Might be a while though... can't think of one good reason to upgrade.

 

[formulav8]

I think the end of June is supposed to be when they're available in retail

Ahh ok thanks.

 

[formulav8]

consoles have 8C

IIRC its an 8 core AMD CPU but just 6 cores are available for game programmers. Either way, it is surely nice the main consoles have multi-core AMD.