Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Darkhelmutt]

About what was to be expected after comparing the graphics scores. ~4-5% better in Firestrike FPS and less than 1 FPS difference in Timespy.

Have you run Superposition? Lets try it in 1080p Extreme and 1080p High...anything higher and we will probably be GPU limited.

Superposition, little warm today card throttling. I could bump card up a couple of bins and probably maintain 2025. Or could run bench again in morning when cooler.

Any whoo @ 1987 to 2012.

 

[Charlie22911]

Superposition, little warm today card throttling. I could bump card up a couple of bins and probably maintain 2025. Or could run bench again in morning when cooler.

Any whoo @ 1987 to 2012.

Is there any real merit to the claims of performance regression vs Broadwell-E? Comparing superposition vs 7700k doesn't seem to be a very good CPU test even at 1080p...

FYI Superposition doesn't use SLI.




EDIT: Clarification

 

[DrMrLordX]

They are here to diminish the perception of sky-x ("poor", "worse", "not the best"), not to hype coffee lake, there's a difference.

Honestly. Just view some publicly-available benchmarks of Skylake-X and compare its performance in games to Kabylake and Broadwell-E. Skylake-X doesn't come out all that well in those reviews. It's rational to conclude that 6c/12t Coffeelake-S will be the top-dog gaming CPU, especially given the clockspeeds and turbo bins available for the chip.

Maybe those reviews are too early, or there's a UEFI/firmware problem, or they should have OCed mesh to 3.2 GHz, or . . . whatever. I don't know for sure.

I do know that many people here are still interested in spreading the truth rather than trying to "control the narrative" or whatever it is you think people are doing here. We HAVE had posters like that, and fortunately many of them have become eerily silent as of late.

 

[TahoeDust]

Superposition, little warm today card throttling. I could bump card up a couple of bins and probably maintain 2025. Or could run bench again in morning when cooler.

Any whoo @ 1987 to 2012.

Is there any real merit to the claims of performance regression vs Broadwell-E? Comparing superposition vs 7700k doesn't seem to be a very good CPU test even at 1080p...

FYI Superposition doesn't use SLI.




EDIT: Clarification

These were at 2012MHz...pretty damn similar. Looks like the 7700k has ~1% advantage...and the 6900k is a wash.

Thanks for posting those @Charlie22911. I was curious about the 6900k.

 

[Darkhelmutt]

These were at 2012MHz...pretty damn similar. Looks like the 7700k has ~1% advantage...and the 6900k is a wash.

Thanks for posting those @Charlie22911. I was curious about the 6900k.

Shadow of Mordor and Rise of the Tomb Raider benches await.

Whats $120.00 for a x299 platform owner.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Not even a hint though from reviewers on CFL yet. So it seems reviews are unlikely - probably previews (OK but not great).

The lack of board teasers has me somewhat worried...

 

[Shivansps]

The lack of board teasers has me somewhat worried...

nah, there is no teasers because they will work on a 200 series MB just fine.

hahaha no, sadly is just a paper launch.

 

[coffeeblues]

Honestly. Just view some publicly-available benchmarks of Skylake-X and compare its performance in games to Kabylake and Broadwell-E. Skylake-X doesn't come out all that well in those reviews. It's rational to conclude that 6c/12t Coffeelake-S will be the top-dog gaming CPU, especially given the clockspeeds and turbo bins available for the chip.

Maybe those reviews are too early, or there's a UEFI/firmware problem, or they should have OCed mesh to 3.2 GHz, or . . . whatever. I don't know for sure.

I do know that many people here are still interested in spreading the truth rather than trying to "control the narrative" or whatever it is you think people are doing here. We HAVE had posters like that, and fortunately many of them have become eerily silent as of late.

You seem to have missed the benchmark comparisons that have started recently in this thread. The initial reviews are being used as an argument that Skylake-X is unusable, so you'll understand my skepticism that the reviewers honestly did their best to evaluate the product.

Now you want to spread the truth and you want Coffee Lake to be the best cpu, but learn the difference between assumption and conclusion and don't claim to be rational when mistaking one for the other. We want new products and higher performance, but we don't have information how game engines scale on 8700k vs 7700k (and in some cases it's the drivers that aren't scaling). This thread is not an exception when it comes to flawed logic and arguments.

 

[french toast]

Do we have any leaks for clocks for coffeelake yet?

 

[dullard]

Do we have any leaks for clocks for coffeelake yet?

Check out the thread title.
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-554#post-39005848
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-554#post-39005851

 

[french toast]

Check out the thread title.
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-554#post-39005848
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-554#post-39005851

Wow, shock and awe.

 

[TahoeDust]

Shadow of Mordor and Rise of the Tomb Raider benches await.

Whats $120.00 for a x299 platform owner.

Haha...I won't play Mordor, but I'll scoop up Rise of the Tomb Raider. Go ahead and run it and let me know what speed you used.

 

[wildhorse2k]

The Apex and Extreme are now available on Asus website with details - https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel-platform-Products/

It appears they support some crazy memory clocks - Extreme seems to support 8x8GB 4200 CL19 according to QVL. G.Skill released this kit just on 14.8. The Apex seems to support 4500+ for dual channel mode.

 

[LTC8K6]

The Apex and Extreme are now available on Asus website with details - https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel-platform-Products/

It appears they support some crazy memory clocks - Extreme seems to support 8x8GB 4200 CL19 according to QVL. G.Skill released this kit just on 14.8. The Apex seems to support 4500+ for dual channel mode.

That ties in with the high memory clocks in the 7740K thread.

 

[TahoeDust]

Shadow of Mordor and Rise of the Tomb Raider benches await.

Whats $120.00 for a x299 platform owner.

Should we run Rise of the Tomb Raider with or without DX12?

 

[Charlie22911]

Should we run Rise of the Tomb Raider with or without DX12?

I think it'd be interesting to see both versions run... What settings though?

 

[DrMrLordX]

The initial reviews are being used as an argument that Skylake-X is unusable

No, they are being used to support the argument that Skylake-X represents a performance regression in games, not that it's "unusable".

so you'll understand my skepticism that the reviewers honestly did their best to evaluate the product.

My understanding is that you're being awfully testy for some reason. Angry that a mainstream Intel product is going to upstage an HEDT Intel product?

Now you want to spread the truth

I always want to spread the truth . . . not just now.

and you want Coffee Lake to be the best cpu

Not really. I just have to accept it as a highly-probable fact, since right now, the best gaming CPU in a lot of games is . . . Kabylake. So take Kabylake, keep clocks the same, give it two more cores and some more L3. BAM! Coffeelake. Which will be the best gaming CPU.

The whole crux of your argument is that you think there's a smear campaign going on in this thread intended to run down Skylake-X. There isn't, or at least there isn't one of which I am aware.

but learn the difference between assumption and conclusion and don't claim to be rational when mistaking one for the other.

You do realize that deductive reasoning actually has meritorious applications, don't you?

We want new products and higher performance, but we don't have information how game engines scale on 8700k vs 7700k (and in some cases it's the drivers that aren't scaling). This thread is not an exception when it comes to flawed logic and arguments.

So you honestly think the 8700k will be SLOWER than the 7700k? Because right now, the 7700k is still the top-dog gaming CPU. Not the 7900X or 7920X or anything else . . . 7700k. You can get a few games faster on Broadwell-E vs Kabylake at stock because of the massive L3, but the 8700k will go a long way towards mitigating that effect.

 

[TahoeDust]

I think it'd be interesting to see both versions run... What settings though?

Good idea...lets do both.

@Darkhelmutt @Charlie22911

Lets do them with the GPU 2025MHz. 1920x1080 and 2560x1340 - Display Setting "Full screen Exclusive" using FXAA -- Graphics Setting "Very High" Preset

 

[Charlie22911]

Took some toying to figure out why my aspect ratio was broken in 16:9 modes... FYI set your desktop first if you have an ultrawide. Game settings set to default first and then changed to above, SLI off.

6900k 4.2GHz, uncore 3.2GHz, and RAM 3.2GHz cas14. These are my best stable settings (HCI, Prime, etc).

DX11:
1080p

1440p

DX12:
1080p

1440p

EDIT: Apparently forum resizes photos automatically, I'm stuck in the early 2000s...

 

[TahoeDust]

Took some toying to figure out why my aspect ratio was broken in 16:9 modes... FYI set your desktop first if you have an ultrawide. Game settings set to default first and then changed to above, SLI off.

6900k 4.2GHz, uncore 3.2GHz, and RAM 3.2GHz cas14. These are my best stable settings (HCI, Prime, etc).

Spoiler

DX11:


DX12:


EDIT: Clickable thumbnails

I just left my aspect ratio stretched...it does not effect performance. The only place I see any even measurable difference is at DX12 1440p, and that is still within the margin of error. It will be interesting to see what the 7700k does.

DX11:
1080p

1440p

DX12:
1080p

1440p

 

[TahoeDust]

Any of you Ryzen or Threadripper boys reading want to get in on this?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Any of you Ryzen or Threadripper boys reading want to get in on this?

Let's try to keep that in a separate thread. Intel threads are already derailed by AMD/Ryzen stuff enough.

 

[Markfw]

Any of you Ryzen or Threadripper boys reading want to get in on this?

I already beat a 7900x@ 6ghz using LN2 on Cinebench, why would I stoop to doing games ? TR is for productivity, not games anyway,

 

[Arachnotronic]

I already beat a 7900x@ 6ghz using LN2 on Cinebench, why would I stoop to doing games ? TR is for productivity, not games anyway,

10 core CPU vs 16 core CPU, though...

 

[Markfw]

10 core CPU vs 16 core CPU, though...

duhhhh both are $999. I would say that makes them competitors.