Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[raghu78]

Definitely get the feeling that Intel badly wants to get to Icelake. Can't blame 'em if it has EMIB.

EMIB arrives with server first and 10++ in the Tigerlake generation.

 

[witeken]

EMIB arrives with server first and 10++ in the Tigerlake generation.

You mean Icelake.

 

[Arachnotronic]

EMIB arrives with server first and 10++ in the Tigerlake generation.

Do you have a source for this? I don't think Intel has talked about specific timing. I'd have expected it more on the 7nm gen.

 

[raghu78]

You mean Icelake.

Wishful thinking.

Do you have a source for this? I don't think Intel has talked about specific timing. I'd have expected it more on the 7nm gen.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/12/intel-corporation-plans-seismic-change-to-data-cen.aspx

"According to Bryant, the first products to use Intel's 10-nanometer++ technology -- its third-generation 10-nanometer technology -- as well as the first products to use Intel's 7-nanometer technology will be data-center chips, rather than personal-computer chips."

EMIB, Bryant said, "allows [Intel] to cut up the Xeon die and debug just a piece of it at a time."

"So that combination is allowing us to go first on a next-generation process node," she said.

 

[coffeeblues]

I don't have a "SL-X = poor" perception. I think it's a great chip that's a little too power hungry and too expensive.
A common occurrence in the CPU and GPU world.

I also think all of these multi-core chips are out a little too early to really be able to show their stuff. Not enough software takes advantage of lots of cores yet.

In a "chicken and egg" view of this problem, economical >4 core cpus have only been available since spring of this year and the installed base of 4-cores will still be influencing decisions how much time will be spent on optimizing for >4 cores. And it wasn't your message I had in mind with regards to perception.

 

[dullard]

Do you have a source for this? I don't think Intel has talked about specific timing. I'd have expected it more on the 7nm gen.

You can infer timing from this 2017-2018 presentation on 10 nm. EMIB is just tacked on oddly on slides 38 to 42. If EMIB wasn't ready or wasn't used on 10 nm parts, it would be really odd to include it in this particular presentation.
https://newsroom.intel.com/newsroom...ites/11/2017/03/Mark-Bohr-2017-Moores-Law.pdf

Combine that with the other rumors and it sounds like EMIB will be here in the 10 nm parts.

 

[Ajay]

The official launch for 8th gen Core is August 21, Intel has announced that already

Yes, an announcement that Coffee Lake is imminent - looking like it's not a launch, however.

 

[Ajay]

You can infer timing from this 2017-2018 presentation on 10 nm. EMIB is just tacked on oddly on slides 38 to 42. If EMIB wasn't ready or wasn't used on 10 nm parts, it would be really odd to include it in this particular presentation.
https://newsroom.intel.com/newsroom...ites/11/2017/03/Mark-Bohr-2017-Moores-Law.pdf

Combine that with the other rumors and it sounds like EMIB will be here in the 10 nm parts.

I think EMIB will be used in the first 10nm Xeon lineup - not sure how yet.

 

[Dayman1225]

We have PAO now right?

Cannon lake being process
Icelake being architecture
Tigerlake being optimisation

I personally don't see why Intel would debut something like EMIB in the optimisation part of PAO and not the architecture part.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I wonder if there's two separate events planned. They could unveil the Kaby Lake Refresh @ Facebook Live on August 21 and then Coffee Lake-S during Gamescom (August 23-26), in line with the DigiTimes leak from months ago.

Yep...that's what I'm fearing as well...

On the other hand, why would they say 8th generation (= Coffee Lake) for 21 August only to reveal a KBL refresh (what is that anyway?) and do a surprise CFL-S announcement/launch a few days later? It doesn't really add up for me.

 

[TahoeDust]

Here ya go. I have Doom but it has no benchmark tool. I rarely pay a premium for games so no GTA 5.

Spoiler

About what was to be expected after comparing the graphics scores. ~4-5% better in Firestrike FPS and less than 1 FPS difference in Timespy.

Have you run Superposition? Lets try it in 1080p Extreme and 1080p High...anything higher and we will probably be GPU limited.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I personally don't see why Intel would debut something like EMIB in the optimisation part of PAO and not the architecture part.

Architecture and process does not matter on whether to use EMIB or not. EMIB is part of the packaging process so its entirely separate.

Also its expected they can make bigger change on server chips. Customers won't be upgrading servers for 5% increase with nothing else on the platform side.

They'll use EMIB when they deem its ready and when its needed.

 

[coffeeblues]

I wonder if there's two separate events planned. They could unveil the Kaby Lake Refresh @ Facebook Live on August 21 and then Coffee Lake-S during Gamescom (August 23-26), in line with the DigiTimes leak from months ago.

If they will do two events and split the announcement content between them I guess they could release mobile and desktop news separately, mobile first and desktop at gamescom?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

If they will do two events and split the announcement content between them I guess they could release mobile and desktop news separately, mobile first and desktop at gamescom?

I'd be seriously disappointed if they did that, and if this or both are mere announcements :/ I only care about actual launches and availability; announcements add nothing on top of what we already know.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Kaby Lake Refresh? I thought Coffee Lake WAS the Kaby Lake refresh. You mean that we're going to have four iterations of the "Core" that debuted with Skylake?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Kaby Lake Refresh? I thought Coffee Lake WAS the Kaby Lake refresh. You mean that we're going to have four iterations of the "Core" that debuted with Skylake?

Kaby Lake Refresh is the 4+2 part with the Kaby Lake-Refresh PCH for mobile; Coffee Lake are the 6+2 parts for H/S and 4+3e part (with improved PCH from the KBL-Refresh).

 

[jpiniero]

Kaby Lake Refresh? I thought Coffee Lake WAS the Kaby Lake refresh. You mean that we're going to have four iterations of the "Core" that debuted with Skylake?

KBR is the Quad Core U part. I don't know if that means it's actually 10+ instead of 10++.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Yes, an announcement that Coffee Lake is imminent - looking like it's not a launch, however.

It could be. In the past they've announced something and then launched it the following week. I hope so, would love to see the 8700k in September.

 

[coffeeblues]

I'd be seriously disappointed if they did that, and if this or both are mere announcements :/ I only care about actual launches and availability; announcements add nothing on top of what we already know.

Announcement from Intel would be an official promise of retail availability at some date. There have been no leaks from retail channel, so I guess retail products haven't even started their journey yet, so mid October give or take for retail sales start, if you don't wait for z390.

 

[StinkyPinky]

The lack of leaks is a bit of a worry it has to be said.

 

[Arachnotronic]

KBR is the Quad Core U part. I don't know if that means it's actually 10+ instead of 10++.

Neither 10+ nor 10++ are on the table for KBL-R.

 

[formulav8]

Do you have a source for this? I don't think Intel has talked about specific timing.

Last I recall was 2020 or so? But don't remember where I read it.

 

[mikk]

The official launch for 8th gen Core is August 21, Intel has announced that already

But not a hard launch, that's unlikely. But it would be nice if we see reviews by next week, I'm surprised.

 

[Arachnotronic]

But not a hard launch, that's unlikely. But it would be nice if we see reviews by next week, I'm surprised.

Ah well. At least there are new SKX SKUs coming soon...

 

[Ajay]

But not a hard launch, that's unlikely. But it would be nice if we see reviews by next week, I'm surprised.

Not even a hint though from reviewers on CFL yet. So it seems reviews are unlikely - probably previews (OK but not great).