Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[MarkPost]

It amazes me how some of you guys pay attention to craptacular things like geekbench, sandra and such, really unavailable

Anyways, competition is what we all desperately needed. Lets see what will come from AMD in the next months, perhaps some 18/36 and 24/48? what will come from Intel? Lets see where the limit is in this race. Excited times for us indeed!

 

[crashtech]

ASUS bios update shows Coffee Lake-S listed on PCI-E bus

Via Reddit.

Hi Sweepr, could you clarify for me the implications of this? I want to think it means something good, but...

 

[TahoeDust]

Here's Threadripper 1950X vs Core i9-7920X @ Geekbench 4.

GB4 loves the Clock...
My little 8 cores of fury.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/3600868

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/3108740?baseline=3600868

 

[USER8000]

The memory was not even the same. We don;t have enough information on the system configs, and multiple benchmarks until probably Thursday.

The Threadripper system was running 2133MHZ DDR4.

Edit to post.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3212...atesand-threadripper-is-faster-sometimes.html
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...cs-18-core-cpus-ahead-amds-theadripper-launch
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11698...cations-18cores-44-ghz-165w-on-september-25th

Official Intel slides are out now.

 

[raghu78]

SKX architecture is a known quantity, and we now know the frequencies at each turbo level.

LCC dies and MCC dies are not going to be identical in terms of freq / voltage scaling. Bigger dies are more difficult to yield well and overclocking a MCC die is not going to be as easy as a LCC die. Given the fact that 7900x is drawing power above rated TDP the situation is not going to be any better with 7980xe.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550...core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested/17

7900x at 4 Ghz all core is drawing 150w. 7980XE with 80% more cores and just 15% lower clocks will have a hard time staying within 165w TDP. The bigger challenge would be overclocking and cooling 7980XE. 7900x is requiring custom coolers to hit 4.6-4.7 Ghz on average if you do not want temps to hit 90c.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1433-intel-core-i9-core-i7-skylake-x/page4.html

"Using just 1.2 volts, which is all I needed for a stable 4.6GHz overclock on all cores, the system consumption went from the 259 watts just seen to an insane 402 watts! That might not even be the worst part, the deal breaker is probably the operating temps. Chilling the 7900X was Corsair's H100i v2 and despite being a premium 240mm AIO liquid cooler, temps skyrocketed as the CPU was place under load, reaching 90 degrees instantly before climbing further towards 100 degrees. Unless you have an amazing cooler, I'm not sure overclocking is going to be worth it."

Good luck getting a 7980XE to run beyond 4 Ghz and more importantly cooling it.

 

[USER8000]

http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/A8AxJz7WBwPjZcrpoFmmLJ.png


http://www.pcgamer.com/full-details-for-intels-core-i9-processor-lineup/

You missed this part out too:

Consider that the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X with 16 cores and 32 threads has just two fewer cores than the Core i9-7980EX, but costs half of as much. And against the 16-core/32-thread Core i9-7960X ($1,699), it's still $700 less expensive.

Also gaming with re-purposed server CPUs - you must be having a laugh. These are made for productivity.

That money saved could go towards a Quadro or FirePro card with certified drivers.

Even the 12 core one is 20% more expensive than the 1950X.

 

[Markfw]

The Threadripper system was running 2133MHZ DDR4.

Edit to post.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3212...atesand-threadripper-is-faster-sometimes.html
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...cs-18-core-cpus-ahead-amds-theadripper-launch
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11698...cations-18cores-44-ghz-165w-on-september-25th

Official Intel slides are out now.

So, even though Ryzen and threadripper are best at 3600 low cas memory, they handicapped it at 2133 ? This results are invalid and misleading.IMO.

Wait until Thursday and see the REAL reviews.

 

[USER8000]

So, even though Ryzen and threadripper are best at 3600 low cas memory, they handicapped it at 2133 ? This results are junk IMO.

Well I had a quick looksy at the Ryzen 7 1800X results too:

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?q=ryzen+1800x

Never mind the much higher single core scores for a number of results,look at the multi-core scores. The Threadripper scores are close to that of a Ryzen 1800X.

 

[Markfw]

Well I had a quick looksy at the Ryzen 7 1800X results too:

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?q=ryzen+1800x

Never mind the much higher single core scores for a number of results,look at the multi-core scores. The Threadripper scores are close to that of a Ryzen 1800X.

Again, these benches are garbage, invalid and missleading.

 

[Ajay]

ASUS bios update shows Coffee Lake-S listed on PCI-E bus

Via Reddit.

And it's says Intel Z270 PCH a bit over 1/2 way down. LOLZ - after all the speculation...

 

[jpiniero]

And it's says Intel Z270 PCH a bit over 1/2 way down. LOLZ - after all the speculation...

I don't think there's any doubt that Z370 is simply Z270 hacked together to support Coffee Lake. Could be interesting if there are platform issues.

 

[USER8000]

Again, these benches are garbage, invalid and missleading.

Yeah,I will tend to agree after looking at that - I might be wrong but that was the same problem with using that benchmark when comparing mobile phone chips too.

And it's says Intel Z270 PCH a bit over 1/2 way down. LOLZ - after all the speculation...

It would be very funny if people cannot use a Z270 motherboard when Coffee Lake is released,but all the ES are OK. When I say funny,its more the jokes on us than Intel.

Remember this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-transformer-lga-1155-intel-lynnfield,2815.html

 

[ddogg]

7980xe is an excellent piece of engineering, Intel nailed it here.

You were able to come to that conclusion after seeing a few leaked geekbench benchmarks? Not to mention that TR system is running 16gb vs 32gb so it's likely dual channel vs quad. Amazes me how people come to conclusions so quickly.

 

[Ajay]

7980xe is an excellent piece of engineering, Intel nailed it here.

SKX isn't the problem (though, it's not an optimal client CPU, obviously). Intel wasn't going to send only SKX down another line to put a soldered IHS on, again obviously, but it is a problem. And, the worst of it, Mainboard manufactures went for bling and features over a more solid VRM design, etc. In retrospect, I think Intel should have given X299 a 205 Watt socket spec - every thing would be much better now. Here's to hoping that the X299 v2 boards will knock it out of the park.

 

[USER8000]

You were able to come to that conclusion after seeing a few leaked geekbench benchmarks? Not to mention that TR system is running 16gb vs 32gb so it's likely dual channel vs quad. Amazes me how people come to conclusions so quickly.

That might explain the very low multicore scores,unless its someone using a Ryzen 7 and faking the score.

 

[scannall]

Now one last thing needed to know, solder or not

Of course not. They glue their processors together. ;-)

 

[scannall]

You were able to come to that conclusion after seeing a few leaked geekbench benchmarks? Not to mention that TR system is running 16gb vs 32gb so it's likely dual channel vs quad. Amazes me how people come to conclusions so quickly.

You don't have the right equipment. These are required.

 

[LTC8K6]

You missed this part out too:



Also gaming with re-purposed server CPUs - you must be having a laugh. These are made for productivity.

That money saved could go towards a Quadro or FirePro card with certified drivers.

Even the 12 core one is 20% more expensive than the 1950X.

I'm not buying either one, so I don't care. Not even sure why you responded that way?

 

[beginner99]

but reduce TTM by reducing amount of validation needed because you no longer need to run as stringent mechanical reliability tests.

Meaning it's sole purpose is to cut cost at the expense of functionality eg. the consumer. It's bean-counting.

 

[Zucker2k]

Of course not. They glue their processors together. ;-)

Won't it be super funny if they are not soldered and still beat threadripper in multithreaded tests?

 

[inf64]

Won't it be super funny if they are not soldered and still beat threadripper in multithreaded tests?

They better beat it for the price intel is asking . If the top of the line SKU barely beats 1950x it would be fun to see reviewers find a reason to justify 2x the price tag.

 

[USER8000]

They better beat it for the price intel is asking . If the top of the line SKU barely beats 1950x it would be fun to see reviewers find a reason to justify 2x the price tag.

Look at the RRP,I assume people will compare the Core i7 7900X to the 1950X,as they cost the same??

Well I also expect the 7980XE to be double the speed of the 1950X,since it is double the cost.

A $1000 difference would certainly buy you a Quadro or FirePro card.

It might explain why Nvidia seems to be enthusiastic about the new AMD CPUs - cheaper CPUs mean MOAR money for the graphics card budget!

 

[Zucker2k]

They better beat it for the price intel is asking . If the top of the line SKU barely beats 1950x it would be fun to see reviewers find a reason to justify 2x the price tag.

Obviously, price isn't everything. I wish it was, for the sake of consumers, but it isn't. AMD has been underselling intel in all areas all these years and how has that helped them? The $1,700 6950x was Intel's best-selling desktop chip, constituting 25% of cpu revenue so Intel knows their target market. Bear in mind, for those 6950x customers, 8 additional cores is basically 2x 6950x for $300 more. Intel was charging almost 3.5x more the last 6+ months flagship against flagship (6950x vs 1800x), yet their best selling chip in the HEDT segment was the 6950x. Intel covers every segment of HEDT - from 4 cores all the way to 18. More importantly, they will have the performance numbers on their side.
All Intel's HEDT offerings are going to be generally faster in low threaded usage scenarios. This means the Intel chips would be the chips to get for the best of both worlds (low threaded, and multithreaded), as you get i7 7700k single-thread performance on 2 cores (turbo max, 7820x and up), combined with relatively high multicore frequencies, even for the 18 core.

 

[Zucker2k]

Look at the RRP,I assume people will compare the Core i7 7900X to the 1950X,as they cost the same??

Well I also expect the 7980XE to be double the speed of the 1950X,since it is double the cost.

A $1000 difference would certainly buy you a Quadro or FirePro card.

It might explain why Nvidia seems to be enthusiastic about the new AMD CPUs - cheaper CPUs mean MOAR money for the graphics card budget!

Does the 1800x have double the performance of the 1700?

 

[USER8000]

Does the 1800x have double the performance of the 1700?

Obviously, price isn't everything. I wish it was, for the sake of consumers, but it isn't. AMD has been underselling intel in all areas all these years and how has that helped them? The $1,700 6950x was Intel's best-selling desktop chip, constituting 25% of cpu revenue so Intel knows their target market. Bear in mind, for those 6950x customers, 8 additional cores is basically 2x 6950x for $300 more. Intel was charging almost 3.5x more the last 6+ months flagship against flagship (6850x vs 1800x), yet their best selling chip in the HEDT segment was the 6950x. Intel covers every segment of HEDT - from 4 cores all the way to 18. More importantly, they will have the performance numbers on their side.
All Intel's HEDT offerings are going to be generally faster in low threaded usage scenarios. This means the Intel chips would be the chips to get for the best of both worlds (low threaded, and multithreaded), as you get i7 7700k single-thread performance on 2 cores (turbo max), combined with relatively high multicore frequencies, even for the 18 core.

These are workstation CPUs - there is a specific reason they have so many cores,and its not for ultimate tech forum SuperPi scores.

Its proven by the fact,that before AMD released Threadripper,most of these kind of CPUs had very low Turbo clockspeeds which shows you how relatively important it was for the segment. Its only because AMD came to the party they have decided to try and play a game of one-upmanship which is great PR for all the people on tech forums like you who are mostly gamers.

Yet gamers on tech forums are better served by consumer CPUs.

I have worked in places and known friends in places which deployed such workstations - not a single one was overclocked at all,and they had lots of the servers and workstations and almost all had lowish clockspeeds compared to consumer parts.

These places were for example doing work in sequencing the human genome,imaging or doing SFX for various TV programs,etc.

Even AMD having highish clockspeeds for Threadripper is one-upmanship too. Look at the Eypc SKUs in comparison.