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cytg111

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In mikk's scenario, we only have two data points and these were probably not taken with using a scope or DMM - so it's entirely possible that there is an unrepresented curvature.
Yes, possible but unlikely, at best you are looking at 1x here, so you would be right at the sweetpoint. Anyway, nevermind.. not that important..
 

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Maybe this?

12C SKX $1299
10C SKX $999
8C SKX $599 [R7 1800x]
6C SKX $449 $399 [R7 1700x]
6C SKX $389 cut lanes
6C CFL $349
4C8T CFL $249 (basically a 7700K)

Don't see the need for a cut down 6C SKX when a 6C CFL will match it performance wise and in 2x CF/SLI.
I would like these prices but they do seem a bit optimistic imho. Intel has reacted to AMD with release date changes but I am not so sure they will add price cuts as well. Especially $500 off the top end product. Seems sane but not Intel!
 

Ajay

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I would like these prices but they do seem a bit optimistic imho. Intel has reacted to AMD with release date changes but I am not so sure they will add price cuts as well. Especially $500 off the top end product. Seems sane but not Intel!
Credit where credit is due - I modified @jpiniero pricing to come up with mine. You could well be correct, then again, AMD is being very aggressive and Intel can't exactly sit still for that.
 

Ajay

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OK, a bit off topic. Is Intel planning a CannonLake server CPU? Maybe on 10nm+?
 

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Gaming notebook shipments expected to enjoy over 20% growth in 2017

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170420PD211.html

Makes me wonder if Intel will bring forward the launch of mobile 6C/12T Coffee Lake-H as well. I hope so, have been in the hunt for the right 15'' gaming laptop for a while but I tend to keep my devices for quite some time, so I could wait a few months.
 
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So what most people are saying, is that this August I don't have to worry about upgrading, because Coffee Lake is about a 15% performance increase over my 4 year old OC 4790k..?

And I would have to build a whole new system, which makes Coffee Lake not as compelling at all. As nobody is going to upgrade from a LGA1150, or LGA1155 socket, to a LGA1151 socket in middle of 2017, knowing it is end-of-line..! That is what has me confused as a consumer.


What is the new socket coming from Intel..? And what chip is going to sit on that platform...? And when..?
 

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So what most people are saying, is that this August I don't have to worry about upgrading, because Coffee Lake is about a 15% performance increase over my 4 year old OC 4790k..?
When Intel mentioned >15% performance improvement for 8th Gen they were comparing mobile chips running SYSmark. That's not Coffee Lake either, it was Kaby Lake Refresh (also part of the new family). Coffee Lake-S (desktop version) has 50% more cores and improved IPC compared to your i7-4790K so it will be significantly faster in MT apps, though the ST performance uplift will depend on what OCs you can expect from it.

What is the new socket coming from Intel..? And what chip is going to sit on that platform...? And when..?
It's still LGA 1151 and there's a new family of chipsets (300 series - Z370 model comes first). Support for older motherboards is still up in the air, but I expect 200 series compatibility.
 

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So what most people are saying, is that this August I don't have to worry about upgrading, because Coffee Lake is about a 15% performance increase over my 4 year old OC 4790k..?

And I would have to build a whole new system, which makes Coffee Lake not as compelling at all. As nobody is going to upgrade from a LGA1150, or LGA1155 socket, to a LGA1151 socket in middle of 2017, knowing it is end-of-line..! That is what has me confused as a consumer.


What is the new socket coming from Intel..? And what chip is going to sit on that platform...? And when..?
Pretty much. And if more cores was what you were after, you could pretty much get that now with Ryzen for much cheaper.
 

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Gaming notebook shipments expected to enjoy over 20% growth in 2017

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170420PD211.html

Makes me wonder if Intel will bring forward the launch of mobile 6C/12T Coffee Lake-H as well. I hope so, have been in the hunt for the right 15'' gaming laptop for a while but I tend to keep my devices for quite some time, so I could wait a few months.
Sounds like a good possibility to me. H2 will be interesting for mobile. Zen is perfect for that market and Intel is showing nowhere near what they are capable of doing now.

I have an old 4c i7 sandy bridge dell xps in the house somewhere and its like progress have been next to nothing since then. I am sure that if Intel used comparable force and innovation today an 6c and far far higher perf would be doable if not easily 8c. They are just cruising now.

Much good is comming.
 

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Sounds like a good possibility to me. H2 will be interesting for mobile. Zen is perfect for that market and Intel is showing nowhere near what they are capable of doing now.

I have an old 4c i7 sandy bridge dell xps in the house somewhere and its like progress have been next to nothing since then. I am sure that if Intel used comparable force and innovation today an 6c and far far higher perf would be doable if not easily 8c. They are just cruising now.

Much good is comming.
I dont know personally i have a 2500k @ 4.2 but in my work im using G4560 and i can tell you right now the pentium feels faster for everyday tasks, but in brute force the 2500k is faster... By some margin, and games are about the same.

Maybe it is the ddr3-1600, not sure. Both on hdds. But right now i feel the lowest pentium being about equal to a 2500k.
 

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It uses the same LGA 1151 socket as their previous Core 6th/7th Gen products and might be compatible with 200 series motherboards (waiting confirmation).
Thanks for that summary! So, do you think it's safe to assume that even if Coffee Lake isn't backwards compatible with at least 200 series boards (which it probably will be, one would hope), that current socket 1151 CPUs would be able to run in the 300 series chipset boards?
 

DrMrLordX

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So what most people are saying, is that this August I don't have to worry about upgrading, because Coffee Lake is about a 15% performance increase over my 4 year old OC 4790k..?
CoffeeLake = Skylake = Kabylake in terms of what the cores can do at any given clockspeed.

CoffeeLake will get you 6c instead of 4c.

That's all.

If, by this point you can't properly estimate whether you want what is essentially a 6c Skylake, then I don't know what to tell you. Expect clockspeeds in the department of 4.8 GHz (bad) to 5.2 GHz (good).

And I would have to build a whole new system
. . . just like you would have had to do with Skylake or Kabylake. Were you expecting something else?

As nobody is going to upgrade from a LGA1150, or LGA1155 socket, to a LGA1151 socket in middle of 2017, knowing it is end-of-line..! That is what has me confused as a consumer.
Hi! Welcome to Intel. Enjoy your stay. You realize your LGA1150 was EoL when you bought it too, yes?

What is the new socket coming from Intel..? And what chip is going to sit on that platform...? And when..?
You want Icelake which comes out sometime in 2018 I guess? Whenever Intel can launch it. Maybe Sept/Oct 2018?
 
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Ajay

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There is no Cannonlake-EP in new Roadmaps, it's most likely cancelled. The next update seems to be Icelake in 2019.
Thanks!

I suspected that this might be the case. The good news, to me, is that Icelake is supposed to be Server Core first.

Part of the reason I asked is because it would be typical for socket 2066 to work across two core generations. Personally, I'm trying to decide if I should wait for SKX (end of June) to upgrade and having an option to upgrade to a later CPU in the future is a plus. If the was going to be a CannonLake-EP, then I'm sure I'd get that option. With the next update not coming out till IceLake-EP is ready - it's a lot more iffy.

Man, I miss the days when I could build a new system every 2-3 years; no need to be concerned planning for the future. Heck, I miss the days when Intel gave out more info on it's future plans :angry:
 

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There is no Cannonlake-EP in new Roadmaps, it's most likely cancelled. The next update seems to be Icelake in 2019.
It would be incredible if the next HEDT platform (LGA 2066) has an upgrade option to Ice Lake-X down the road.
 
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Icelake is a new architecture so it will use a new socket so it's unlikely to be compatible with Skylake-X's LGA 2066. It has always been this way going back to LGA 1366(Bloomfield), LGA 2011(Sandy Bridge-E) and LGA 2011-3(Haswell-E) for HEDT.

Personally I would skip LGA 2066 because the PCH 200 series chipset for it doesn't support USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbps natively like 300 series chipset for Coffee Lake/Cannonlake does.

Intel really should rethink their support for newer connectivity & display standards, they've been very slow in supporting HDMI 2.0 natively(still unsupported in Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake probably supports it since Gemini Lake supports it natively), DisplayPort 1.4 and USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbps. One can only wonder how long Intel will take to support HDMI 2.1.
 
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It would be incredible if the next HEDT platform (LGA 2066) has an upgrade option to Ice Lake-X down the road.
It should, Ice Lake-SP should be compatible with the Purley platform. Sapphire Rapid is the first part on the Tinsley platform.
 

Ajay

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Icelake is a new architecture so it will use a new socket so it's unlikely to be compatible with Skylake-X's LGA 2066. It has always been this way going back to LGA 1366(Bloomfield), LGA 2011(Sandy Bridge-E) and LGA 2011-3(Haswell-E) for HEDT.

Personally I would skip LGA 2066 because the PCH 200 series chipset for it doesn't support USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbps natively like 300 series chipset for Coffee Lake/Cannonlake does.
Well, now that the wife and I agree an upgrade is in order - I won't be able to wait till CFL & X370. It's just too far out, even though Intel's support for new standards is lacking on HEDT (as usual). As far as support for IceLake goes, Intel has also support a new uarch and it's shrink for each of those HEDT platforms. I think, if they can, they will support IceLake. Not offering and upgrade on a Server/HEDT platform will p*ss a lot of people off. That said, I wouldn't take bets on it.
 

Ajay

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I'm also anxiously awaiting leaks on SKX pricing. I would expect to have them by now given the launch date. However, since Intel just pulled in the timeline, even the leakers are caught unawares!!

If the AMD ecosystem gets it's act together - I may even consider Ryzen, after 11 14 years on Intel :eek:
 
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CoffeeLake = Skylake = Kabylake in terms of what the cores can do at any given clockspeed.

CoffeeLake will get you 6c instead of 4c.

That's all.

If, by this point you can't properly estimate whether you want what is essentially a 6c Skylake, then I don't know what to tell you. Expect clockspeeds in the department of 4.8 GHz (bad) to 5.2 GHz (good).

. . . just like you would have had to do with Skylake or Kabylake. Were you expecting something else?

Hi! Welcome to Intel. Enjoy your stay. You realize your LGA1150 was EoL when you bought it too, yes?

You want Icelake which comes out sometime in 2018 I guess? Whenever Intel can launch it. Maybe Sept/Oct 2018?
Thank you.

Do understand, I have THREE different i7 gaming rigs. And I have not estimated what Coffee Lake is/does because Intel's portfolio was not in stone, and their new gaming platform is still up in the air.

That is why I had asked, so matter of factly. Because we all know LGA1151 came out 2 years ago, and is end-of-line this year. Which does zero for future upgradeability. If I wanted to upgrade my 4790k I could of done it with Kaby Lake, but that didn't offer much performance to justify buying a new platform, and now it seems Coffee doesn't either.

So I guess we have to wait until Intel announces/releases their new HEDT and see what that brings... and when.
 

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So, who remembers the Skylake-SP specs leak I posted about a month ago? Let's rewind:



Back then some users questioned the veracity of some details, particularly the higher than expected base clocks. Fast forward...

Intel Xeon Gold & Xeon Platinum (Skylake-SP) Listed Online

CPU/Xeon 8180 2.50GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
CPU/Xeon 8176 2.10GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY

CPU/Xeon 8170 2.10GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 8168 2.70GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 8164 2.00GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
CPU/Xeon 8160 2.10GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 6152 2.10GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 6150 2.70GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 6148 2.40GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY

CPU/Xeon 6142 2.60GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
CPU/Xeon 6140 2.30GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 6138 2.00GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
CPU/Xeon 6136 3.00GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
CPU/Xeon 6134 3.20GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 6130 2.10GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY
Intel CPU/Xeon 6126 2.60GHz FC-LGA14 TRAY

Looking at other Xeon CPUs available there, the numbers above are indeed base clocks. Considering they perfectly match the previous leak, I expect the same for the other details (core count, cache and TDP). Xeon Gold 6134/6136 with 18C/36T, 3.0-3.2 GHz (base) and 105-130W TDP is real. Makes me confident about the clock speeds they will be able to reach with the new Skylake-X 12C/24T beast at 130W+ TDP.
 

w3rd

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Yeah, I really wish Intel would usurp AMD and support their new HEDT for gaming... starting at 12 cores.. all the way up to 24 cores...!

All the same platform. done & done...



edit, just came across this: (http://wccftech.com/intel-unveil-basin-falls-coffee-lake-skylake-x-asml-ryzen-16-core/)

"Intel pushed forward Basin Falls and Coffee Lake; meanwhile, AMD is planning on releasing a 16 core Ryzen variant
Interestingly, Digitimes also mentions that AMD is planning on releasing its 16-core Ryzen CPU and the X399 platform in the 3rd quarter of 2017 for the gaming market. If such a thing should happen, it would turn the tables on Intel, which will need to revamp its lineup in order to compete with the sheer number of cores that AMD will be throwing at it. According to the source, the 14nm Coffeelake processors and its Z370 chipset will be releasing in August as well as more CPUs and the H370 and B360/H310 chipsets following at the end of 2017 or early 2018."


This war is going to be exciting to watch. I plan on building 2 new rigs this year.
 
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I don't know about all you, but I would straight up love a 7700K with 2 more cores @ 4.8ghz. I would be tempted to sell and replace with one of those. It would be better than a quad, but I still have my heart set on a proper 8 core with big IPC gains. Man I can't wait for Intel's next round of products and to see what they do in terms of their pricing. Lots of bitter people out there who feel ripped off by the endless wave of quad cores at almost $400 when this whole time they could have easily upped their game with at least 6 cores. Only when the pressure is on may they give us something decent now, but that's business.
I know one thing for sure though; if Intel releases another 8 core anywhere near $1000, they are going to straight up get laughed at by the entire community of tech reviewers out there. It will just be a joke. An argument can be made for higher prices due to greater IPC, but I don't think they can get away with the ridiculous $1000+ they've been charging. If I had only two choices between a $500 Zen and a $1000 Intel, I'd save those pennies and get the Intel myself. Luckily there are other choices.
 

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