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Sweepr

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Great article by Ian, well worth a read.

AnandTech: Why an Overclockable Core i3 Might Not Exist: The Supermicro C7H170-M and Intel Core i3-6100TE Review













The 1080p gaming tests show that an overclocked Core i3 can easily knock on the door of a stock Core i5 for $100 less, or the rough equivalent of another Core i3 sale. The situation is a little muddier on CPU benchmarks; with single-thread responsive getting a benefit but many workload based tests showed you need real cores to get a benefit. It doesn’t matter much at the higher end, where it won’t cannibalize sales, and it didn’t matter much on the overclockable Pentium where two threads and low cache were bottlenecks you can’t overcome.

So if you want that performance, you need to spend the extra money.

If it was a question of market share, we would see it added very quickly. But as it is not, it ends up being the difference between buying two chips or one from the same vendor – they would rather you buy two (or the equivalent of two) when there's no alternative.
www.anandtech.com/show/10127/overclockable-core-i3-supermicro-c7h170-m-intel-core-i3-6100te-review


Looks like ASRock is not the alone. Supermicro still going strong with Skylake BCLK overclocking:

C7H170-M, Core i5-6400 @ 3.78 GHz
DDR4-2240, BCLK:140 (Memory OC Support)

 

Sweepr

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Intel demonstrated Just Cause 3 running at 1080p (Low?) at ~30-40 FPS with Skull Canyon. In comparison HD 520 runs it at 15-20 FPS @ 720P Low. Similar settings with a Geforce GTX860M (mobile Geforce GTX750 Ti equivalent).


HT4U - Intel's 5th and 6th Generation Core CPUs Compared: Skylake vs Broadwell with eDRAM

http://ht4u.net/reviews/2016/intels_cpu-generation_5_und_6_broadwell_und_skylake_im_test


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Great article by Ian, well worth a read.

AnandTech: Why an Overclockable Core i3 Might Not Exist: The Supermicro C7H170-M and Intel Core i3-6100TE Review









www.anandtech.com/show/10127/overclockable-core-i3-supermicro-c7h170-m-intel-core-i3-6100te-review
 

DrMrLordX

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Looks like ASRock is not the alone. Supermicro still going strong with Skylake BCLK overclocking:
Have they done anything to address the issue of the IGP failing at elevated bclk speeds or AVX/AVX2 becoming unavailable under the same conditions?

(though the IGP problem is probably a driver issue that Supermicro could not address on its own)
 

Sweepr

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Intel talks CPUs and overclocking on the ASUS Straight Edge podcast

Intro and guest bios 0:00~2:04

History
Conroe, Intel’s game changing architecture 2:04~5:25
Changes in tech media/PR 5:25~8:18

Future
Where does Intel see the desktop market going over the next 5 years? 8:18~10:56
What’s the long-term outlook for HEDT product line? 10:56~13:30

Chipset release cadence
Why are enthusiast platforms updated slower than desktop platforms? 13:30~15:40

Overclocking
Intel’s changing stance on overclocking 15:40~18:30
Why are Xeon CPUs locked? 18:30~21:20
Why did Intel remove overclocking from non-K CPUs? 21:20~24:05
What’s the best way to stress test a CPU? 24:05~26:30
What determines the choice of thermal interface material for various CPUs? 26:30~29:40
What determines the gap between the CPU die and IHS? 29:40~34:21
Outside of silicon design, what can be done to improve CPU performance? 34:22~35:39
Why are 6700K overclocking yields so good? 35:39~37:21

VR and gaming
Why do K-series CPUs have an IGP? 37:25~40:33
How can Intel help improve VR performance? 40:33~43:20

Mobile
Intel’s Speed Shift versus SpeedStep – what’s the difference? 43:21~47:20
Will there be a Skylake phone? Is one possible given the Core M compute stick? 47:21~48:40
http://pcdiy.asus.com/2016/03/intel-talks-cpus-and-overclocking-on-the-asus-straight-edge-podcast


2016 Vaio Z Lineup now on sale in the US

Base model:

Intel Core i5-6267U (4MB Cache, up to 3.30GHz)
8GB LPDDR3 1866MHz
256GB PCIe SSD
13.3" Full HD (1920x1080) Display
Up to 15 hr and 30 min*
www.amazon.com/VAIO-Laptop-i5-6267U-Display-Windows/dp/B01AZC3DFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458313903&sr=8-1&keywords=6267u
www.amazon.com/VAIO-Laptop-i5-6267U-Memory-Windows/dp/B01AZC3DHO/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1458326438&sr=8-8&keywords=6267u
 
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Seriously though, it is nice to see something using the 28 watt dual core. To me this should be the standard for mid-size and up laptops, rather than the 15 watt u chips. Should also make iris pro standard. Would be a decent light gaming platform and have excellent performance for everything else.
 

jpiniero

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Here, I'll save you the time listening to it...

Why are enthusiast platforms updated slower than desktop platforms? 13:30~15:40


Because they are server parts

Why are Xeon CPUs locked? 18:30~21:20


Because they want you to buy K models, not used Xeons

Why did Intel remove overclocking from non-K CPUs? 21:20~24:05


Because they want you to buy K models

What determines the choice of thermal interface material for various CPUs? 26:30~29:40


Money, and the TIM currently used is sufficient for stock clock speeds
 

ShintaiDK

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That's not what was said in the podcast.

I recommend people that actually want information to listen to it.
 

PPB

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But but some poster told me w7 is legacy? Dont you mean he..... Might be.... Wrong? (for the 1000th time)
 

ShintaiDK

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Windows 7 is legacy. You are only getting security patches. What MS says is it now supports security patches on Skylake systems too. In other words, if a security patch broke your Skylake system before, MS would say though luck. Now they offer support to fix it.
 
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Sweepr

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witeken

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Ashraf Eassa has become very disappointing.

Indeed, from what Intel-rival TSMC (NYSE:TSM) has disclosed about its 7-nanometer manufacturing technology (which is expected to go into production in the first half of 2018),
* TSMC's 16nm has been in production since, idk, mid-2015
* If 10nm goes into production 2 years later, which would be pretty good considering even the best of them all, Intel, doesn't do as well, it's mid-2017 and 2018 for widespread availability.
* So 7nm will be even better and have a product cycle of only half a year?!

I call BS.

Remember that 16nm was once "expected" to go into production in 2013. We know TSMC's track record.
 

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AnandTech: Intel’s ‘Tick-Tock’ Becomes ‘Process-Architecture-Optimization’



As reported at The Motley Fool, Intel’s latest 10-K / annual report filing would seem to suggest that the ‘Tick-Tock’ strategy of introducing a new lithographic process note in one product cycle (a ‘tick’) and then an upgraded microarchitecture the next product cycle (a ‘tock’) is going to fall by the wayside for the next two lithographic nodes at a minimum, to be replaced with a three element cycle known as ‘Process-Architecture-Optimization’.

Intel’s Tick-Tock strategy has been the bedrock of their microprocessor dominance of the last decade. Throughout the tenure, every other year Intel would upgrade their fabrication plants to be able to produce processors with a smaller feature set, improving die area, power consumption, and slight optimizations of the microarchitecture, and in the years between the upgrades would launch a new set of processors based on a wholly new (sometimes paradigm shifting) microarchitecture for large performance upgrades. However, due to the difficulty of implementing a ‘tick’, the ever decreasing process node size and complexity therein, as reported previously with 14nm and the introduction of Kaby Lake, Intel’s latest filing would suggest that 10nm will follow a similar pattern as 14nm by introducing a third stage to the cadence.

From Intel's report: As part of our R&D efforts, we plan to introduce a new Intel Core microarchitecture for desktops, notebooks (including Ultrabook devices and 2 in 1 systems), and Intel Xeon processors on a regular cadence. We expect to lengthen the amount of time we will utilize our 14nm and our next generation 10nm process technologies, further optimizing our products and process technologies while meeting the yearly market cadence for product introductions.
More here.
 

Sweepr

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Intel Kaby Lake and of course Intel Z270 in the market later this year!

Some info about Kabylake and Z270:
- Desktop Kabylake & Z270 launching in November
- Z270 similar to Z170, I/O improvements and 3D XPoint memory support
- DDR4 support >4000 MHz to become more common

www.zolkorn.com/news/intel-kaby-lake-and-intel-z270-may-launch-on-november-2016


Intel Corp. Desktop Skylake Chips' Price Is Coming Down

...Earlier on, there was a significant price delta between a Haswell system and a comparable Skylake system. Let's see if this holds; take a look at the table below in which I price out a Haswell system on the left and a Skylake system on the right:

The Skylake-based system obviously carries a non-trivial premium over the Haswell based one, but for a system that's going to be in use for a while, the superior platform and added performance of the Skylake chip are probably worth it. $70 over, say, 3-4 years is just not that much extra on an annual basis.

Additionally, it's looking as though Intel's upcoming Kaby Lake CPUs will work in Skylake motherboards, giving people building Skylake systems today a viable upgrade path (though how interesting such an upgrade will be remains to be seen).
www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/03/18/intel-corp-desktop-skylake-chips-coming-down-in-pr.aspx

First Look: SuperMicro C7Z170-OCE Motherboard

www.jagatoc.com/2016/03/first-look-supermicro-c7z170-oce-motherboard/2
 
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Is Skylake-C cancelled? If I Google it, it says Intel pulled the plug but then I saw this below:

http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-q3-2016-cannonlake-2017/
Same kind of rumor was present with Broadwell C I believe. Maybe C parts will be forever a year later from regular parts.

The only purpose for the top graphics SKUs seem to be is to experiment with bleeding edge technology and to allow it to propagate down to lower end parts. Also to spread the message that Intel has the top iGPU.

Why else would the availability and pricing suck so much?
 

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