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Oh, they are. High end gaming just isn't important.AMD isn't hurting Intel enough yet, obviously.
Oh, they are. High end gaming just isn't important.AMD isn't hurting Intel enough yet, obviously.
Damn. I was tempted to do the same. Have you ordered from them before?Pretty stoked! Pre-ordered a 7900K + X299 Strix board from ShopBLT
Damn. I was tempted to do the same. Have you ordered from them before?
Because the enthusiast market is basically gamers/gaming. Extra cores help, but only so much. A 6C6T CFL is going to be decently faster in games than any Ryzen.
Definitely not. If you are just gaming you don't need any more than a 7700K clocked to 5 Ghz. I can bet 7700k at 5 Ghz and a CFL 6C/12T at 5+ Ghz will beat every Skylake-X CPU for majority of games today. People who do serious work which can benefit from lots of cores are the ones who would bother with a Skylake-X or even Threadripper. These users might have gaming as one of their use cases but definitely not the most important one.
7700K is killer for games (I'm GPU limited, not CPU limited), and CFL should be a freaking monster -- 14nm++ should allow for some seriously cool frequency. If priced right, the 4C/8T CFL should be a heck of a value.
I am keen to see what Intel does with Coffeelake. How many dies is Intel designing and what are the various SKUs and their pricing. If Intel bring unlocked 6C/12T at USD 350 they will become the first choice for almost the majority of users . CFL 6C/12T at 5+ Ghz could even catch up with R7 8C/16T at 4 Ghz in multi threaded apps while having a dominant single thread performance lead. AMD will have to come back with a strong response with Zen on 14nm+ in Q1 2018. If the process related improvements can add another 600-700 Mhz that would again make Ryzen very competitive. I am hoping AMD Ryzen can match atleast Bristol Ridge which clocked 4.7 Ghz quite easily. I do think at 7nm AMD can really bring huge improvements in microarchitecture as they would have a massive increase in transistor budget and a decent transistor performance. The next few years are going to be exciting with Intel and AMD generations launching almost non stop.
CFL - Aug 2017
Pinnacle Ridge - Q1 2018
Cascade Lake-X - Q3 2018
Icelake - Q4 2018 or Q1 2019
Zen 2 - H1 2019
Tigerlake - H1 2020
Zen 3 - H1 2020
Ice just taped out, so if you assume ~1yr from tape out to availability, that should put Ice in 2H 2018
Icelake taped in and not taped out.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-announces-cannon-lake-on-track-ice-lake-has-taped-in.html
https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/872844756845379584
I would say they are atleast 15-18 months away from actual production. The key here is Intel's 10nm+ yield ramp and how that progresses. Intel 10nm is a disaster with not even a semblance of any high volume product unlike Intel 14nm which was in much better shape and we saw Broadwell launch in desktops and high performance notebooks. Cannonlake is a low volume tablet and a ultrathin only product. I think Intel has a lot of proving to do with their execution at 10+ and future generations.
Oh, they are. High end gaming just isn't important.
Damn! Gutsy! I like it!Nope, first time!
Coffee Lake taped in ~November 2016 (https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...icroarchitecture.2489451/page-2#post-38580224) and we're going to see it available for purchase in August 2017 -- less than a year delta.
If Ice taped in, say, May 31, 2017 then there's a possibility we could see it in August/September of 2018, possibly much sooner if it's a 10nm part and not a 10nm+ part.
I hope you have some solid cooling, if you plan to overclock! I'm sure you'll keep us up to date on your experiencePretty stoked! Pre-ordered a 7900K + X299 Strix board from ShopBLT
Coffee Lake taped in ~November 2016 (https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...icroarchitecture.2489451/page-2#post-38580224) and we're going to see it available for purchase in August 2017 -- less than a year delta.
If Ice taped in, say, May 31, 2017 then there's a possibility we could see it in August/September of 2018, possibly much sooner if it's a 10nm part and not a 10nm+ part.
I would think it's 10nm++, otherwise, there will be a frequency regression compared to CFL. Anyway, the future has a tendency to reveal itself
Take whatever MT dominant benchmark you want (games, encoding, rendering etc) increase the score 7700K gets at stock clocks by around 20-25% then replace it with next gen i5 naming. Now see if that still makes you laugh.I don't see how a 6 core CPU without HT makes any sense at all in todays market. Seriously. With 8/16 CPU's being $300 now and 6/12's going for $200, why would anyone be interested in a 6 core 6 thread CPU? Performance would be right around where a 4/8 CPU would be. What a pointless and silly product to release. If Intel releases a 6/6 i5 chip, they will get laughed right out of the market.
Definitely not. If you are just gaming you don't need any more than a 7700K clocked to 5 Ghz. I can bet 7700k at 5 Ghz and a CFL 6C/12T at 5+ Ghz will beat every Skylake-X CPU for majority of games today. People who do serious work which can benefit from lots of cores are the ones who would bother with a Skylake-X or even Threadripper. These users might have gaming as one of their use cases but definitely not the most important one.
It will die exactly on 6c/12t CFL review day, when the marketing machine will finally give the execution a green light. Until then the 7700K is on the best life support money can buy.When is this myth ever going to die?
Ah, so there's a new 80 watt part. That explains the 81W 6-core sneak peek.
It's not really an IGP though - think of it more as a discrete GPU within a CPU package (which is also much bigger).
7700K is killer for games (I'm GPU limited, not CPU limited), and CFL should be a freaking monster -- 14nm++ should allow for some seriously cool frequency. If priced right, the 4C/8T CFL should be a heck of a value.
X299 Skylake X is clocking like a monster on ambient. Well at least the 10-12 cores are. QS ES 14-18 not ready yet. So believe me Intel can easily reach and way outperform what Thread ripper is offering in terms of clocks and performance. Obviously the cost will be higher even for a lower core count if you go with Intel but performance higher per core and OC headroom much better.
Man they will clock good dont you worry about that. Intel are not playing here. I am talking all Cores 24-7 prime non-avx stable. I dont run any benches on X299 Skylake X CPUs that don't benefit high cores and HT. 12 Core 5.9ghz LN2 NO PROBLEM and thats with quad channel mems 4000mhz C12-12-12-26 1T....... Remember 8 Core Ryzen is struggling to hit more than 5.2ghz+ with much lower RAM under the same cooling and benches............