Intel Shows Off 28 Core, 56 Thread Core-X HEDT Processor For Enthusiasts, In Market Q4 ’18

[IEC]

Is that a liquid chiller like used for aquariums?

That's a Hailea HC-1000a chiller.

Which is a 1650W chiller that costs close to $1000.

There was no problem with cooling, that's for sure.

 

[Fir]

1hp chiller.
That's not 1650W.
It may DRAW that much making it rather inefficient.
In any case that is interesting.
This setup is going to require serious VRM and CPU cooling.
And the size of the VRM ranks make monoblocks like the ones used for X299 systems not very practical.

The big question is do they really NEED chilled liquid/sub ambient cooling to keep junction temp below throttling because of TIM issues like Skylake X or is just that freaking hot?

 

[LTC8K6]

That's a Hailea HC-1000a chiller.

Which is a 1650W chiller that costs close to $1000.

There was no problem with cooling, that's for sure.

How do you know that's the one?

 

[LTC8K6]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12907/2018-06-06 08.55.00.jpg

Looks like it is an HC-1000B on one of the systems.

1hp = 746 watts, though.

Not sure what they mean with the 1 hp spec.

 

[ub4ty]

depends on how deep your pockets are. I jumped into a TR 1950 because it was "relatively" affordable. I got it when amazon had it for 799 tho. If the chip was 2K ... No way! (yeah that rhymed).

I think anything over 800~1K is doable for people with a few buck burning a hole in their pocket, but anything more than that? Even a die hard geek that is relatively well off will start to question it. You start charging 2/3K for a CPU... Suddenly your high end PC is pushing that 5K mark.

I also bought an AMD TR for a statement for having the balls to bring it to reality. If it wasn't for AMD, we would still be looking at a boring 4 core part. Intel keeps missing the boat and golden opportunities. They should have built 16/32 cores long ago for the masses. Just like when they wanted to build cell phone chips, too late... Now they have hobbled together a server chip, rushing it out the door to try to save face. Will be interesting to see how they market it in the 4'th quarter, hopefully they have a motherboard and chipset already in the works for third party manufacturers to start producing.

**don't wanna come off as an AMD fan... I like Intel, this is the FIRST time I've wanted to buy AMD. I also like AMD APU's as well.

I'm in the same boat. I've switched back and forth throughout my lifetime between intel/amd as the tides have turned. I was primarily with intel until Zen came along and they finally changed the game completely and made higher core counts/performance affordable. Intel had the ability for years to do this but kept milking the market with tired quad core CPUs. They've lost me and continue to lose me because they're overpriced and I/O gimped. I currently have multiple rigs I do compute workloads on. I still have an intel rig but I do have zen rigs and a TR. Nothing interests me from intel ATM because the price/performance is still ridiculous as is the power util, alphabet soup sockets, and other profit maximizing gimmicks.

I'm not sure what special low they're in but this ghetto rigged demo has to rank near the bottom.

 

[Paratus]

Damn GamersNexus destroys the Intel 5ghz demo.

 

[LTC8K6]

People thought Intel was releasing a 28 core 5ghz chip? It was pointed out almost immediately that this was a chilled water overclocking setup. The Hailea chiller is not hidden from the reviewers. So why did anyone write that this was a "5ghz" chip?

 

[ub4ty]

Damn GamersNexus destroys the Intel 5ghz demo.

The memes are writing themselves as of late.

 

[Fir]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12907/2018-06-06 08.55.00.jpg

Looks like it is an HC-1000B on one of the systems.

1hp = 746 watts, though.

Not sure what they mean with the 1 hp spec.

A 1hp chiller has a 1hp compressor. One hp is 0.746kW but to produce this requires considerably more input from the wall.
In any case, assuming a -10C sub ambient cooling at idle (that's a pretty low evaporator temp!), that thing isn't going to be able to maintain that temp for long. Of course for a few CB runs, no problem.

Delidding the 7980XE produces amazing results at the top end, this CPU is probably no different. I'd imagine that CPU was well guarded too.

This definitely is shady. I like GN's video. He cracks me up. He reminds me of me 30 years ago!

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't understand why anyone would have thought this was on any sort of normal cooling, though, or wasn't an overclock.

 

[coercitiv]

People thought Intel was releasing a 28 core 5ghz chip? It was pointed out almost immediately that this was a chilled water overclocking setup. The Hailea chiller is not hidden from the reviewers. So why did anyone write that this was a "5ghz" chip?

I don't understand why anyone would have thought this was on any sort of normal cooling, though, or wasn't an overclock.

Here's the presentation recording, starting from the moment they introduce the 28 core chip. Could you point out when exactly they mention this is an overclock?

PS: they are even comparing the CB result with multiple socket systems, also emphasize the lack of tradeoffs since you get 5Ghz in both MT and ST.

 

[LTC8K6]

People actually believed that Intel suddenly had a 28 core chip than ran all it's cores at 5ghz stock on air? Really?

What prior indication was there that Intel could make such a chip?

The 8700K can't even run 1 core at 5ghz stock.

10nm is basically nowhere to be seen.

So what was this magical chip supposed to be that came out of nowhere with 28 cores at 5ghz on air?

 

[Gikaseixas]

Intel probably knew that AMD had at least 24 cores, I guess they never saw the 32 cores beast coming.

So nobody woke up the giant, instead the giant was caught with it's pants down again.

Conroe part two incoming

 

[LTC8K6]

The 8180 all core turbo is only 3.2 ghz and if you add AVX it drops to just 2.8 and just 2.3 with AVX512.
I wish Intel had found 1.8 ghz on the top end in one year.

 

[dlerious]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12907/2018-06-06 08.55.00.jpg

Looks like it is an HC-1000B on one of the systems.

1hp = 746 watts, though.

Not sure what they mean with the 1 hp spec.

Looking at their website, it looks like the 1000A is 220-240V only. It shows R22 as the iced medium, but the description suggests it's R134a. The manual says R22 for 1000B (R407C/R410A options).

 

[dlerious]

People actually believed that Intel suddenly had a 28 core chip than ran all it's cores at 5ghz stock on air? Really?

What prior indication was there that Intel could make such a chip?

The 8700K can't even run 1 core at 5ghz stock.

10nm is basically nowhere to be seen.

So what was this magical chip supposed to be that came out of nowhere with 28 cores at 5ghz on air?

Here's the Anandtech story: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12893/intels-28core-5-ghz-cpu-coming-in-q4 . Check out the 3rd paragraph, doesn't sound like they're surprised by the 5GHz number being possible without sub-ambient cooling.

 

[jpiniero]

Still think it's going to be:

2.7 Ghz base
4 Ghz FCT
5 Ghz SCT
300W TDP

 

[Markfw]

Still think it's going to be:

2.7 Ghz base
4 Ghz FCT
5 Ghz SCT
300W TDP

Did you see the video ? (

The chip is an existing Xeon highly overclocked, no new chip, and 600 watt or more was dissipated. Its a show, not a new chip, and on chilled water, and no existing motherboard could support all that power, they highly modified that also.

 

[witeken]

People actually believed that Intel suddenly had a 28 core chip than ran all it's cores at 5ghz stock on air? Really?

What prior indication was there that Intel could make such a chip?

The 8700K can't even run 1 core at 5ghz stock.

So what was this magical chip supposed to be that came out of nowhere with 28 cores at 5ghz on air?

It's just downright silly that people are complaining about this. Any tech enthusiast should know to take this at face value: Intel showcased a 28-core running at 5GHz. Amazing accomplishment, but of course the base clock will be 2.7GHz not 5GHz. Who would've thought...?

 

[Timmah!]

Damn GamersNexus destroys the Intel 5ghz demo.

I like Gamers Nexus, but this is pointless video, in which he keeps telling the same thing all over again at least 10x. And its not even such a big issue.... i mean, even if that chip ran at 3,5GHz turbo max and they sold it at the same price as 7980x last year (obviously hypothetically), why complain? You still get superior product for the same money, even if it cant run at 5GHz, like they just presented. And saying that its just same Skylake-X from last year, just with more cores, but without higher frequencies is not all that impressive - it wont be impressive, only if you cant buy it cheaper than last year. Which probably wont be the case.

 

[Markfw]

I like Gamers Nexus, but this is pointless video, in which he keeps telling the same thing all over again at least 10x. And its not even such a big issue.... i mean, even if that chip ran at 3,5GHz turbo max and they sold it at the same price as 7980x last year (obviously hypothetically), why complain? You still get superior product for the same money, even if it cant run at 5GHz, like they just presented. And saying that its just same Skylake-X from last year, just with more cores, but without higher frequencies is not all that impressive - it wont be impressive, only if you cant buy it cheaper than last year. Which probably wont be the case.

I think you missed the point. Its an existing Xeon highly overclocked, not even a real NEW product. And on a highly modified motherboard, with a water chiller. Will never be a real product like this anytime soon.

 

[jpiniero]

I think you missed the point. Its an existing Xeon highly overclocked, not even a real NEW product. And on a highly modified motherboard, with a water chiller. Will never be a real product like this anytime soon.

Didn't say anything about 5 Ghz FCT. That would be too much for sure.

 

[Markfw]

Didn't say anything about 5 Ghz FCT. That would be too much for sure.

Regardless of that. They DID use a water chiller, and a spendy one at that, and they used 4 custom fans on the motherboard power regulators.

This had no basis on a real product, it was a show, and a bad one at that.

 

[Zucker2k]

Intel probably knew that AMD had at least 24 cores, I guess they never saw the 32 cores beast coming.

So nobody woke up the giant, instead the giant was caught with it's pants down again.

Conroe part two incoming

So AMD gave you a 32 core beast but they forgot the Cinebench scores this time around. Looks like Intel stole that lunch, at least. But hey, 28 cores at 5GHz is still not impressive.
/s

 

[Paratus]

Regardless of that. They DID use a water chiller, and a spendy one at that, and they used 4 custom fans on the motherboard power regulators.

This had no basis on a real product, it was a show, and a bad one at that.

This would have been like AMD running a Threadripper 1950X at 5.2GHZ on LN2 and the press saying “Threadripper runs over 5GHz!”