Intel Shows Off 28 Core, 56 Thread Core-X HEDT Processor For Enthusiasts, In Market Q4 ’18

[Markfw]

This would have been like AMD running a Threadripper 1950X at 5.2GHZ on LN2 and the press saying “Threadripper runs over 5GHz!”

Which BTW, it has run over 6 ghz on LN2 I think......

I know they did not say what GHZ it was running at (the new 32 core threadripper), but it was a real product running on a real air cooler on an existing motherboard at stock.

 

[FIVR]

10/10 Thread OP.


Indeed, the giant has woken... but it's not a giant in terms of physical size, market cap, or number of employees. The Technology Innovation Giant, AMD, has awoken.

 

[Timmah!]

I think you missed the point. Its an existing Xeon highly overclocked, not even a real NEW product. And on a highly modified motherboard, with a water chiller. Will never be a real product like this anytime soon.

Why would it not be real product anytime soon? You say its existing Xeon yourself. The show might have sucked and Intel might have been misleading by making it look that 5GHz will be normal clocks for it, when it clearly wont, and thats certainly bad, but does that take away anything from that actual CPU? Even at 3,5GHz it will be a monster, fastest consumer CPU by Intel yet. If priced competitively against TR2, i dont see a problem.

And about not being new - if its 2000, when until now you could buy it only for 8000, then its as good as new, because for 8000, it was never an option. Well, to me, its not an option even at 2000, but thats another story :-D

 

[Markfw]

Why would it not be real product anytime soon? You say its existing Xeon yourself. The show might have sucked and Intel might have been misleading by making it look that 5GHz will be normal clocks for it, when it clearly wont, and thats certainly bad, but does that take away anything from that actual CPU? Even at 3,5GHz it will be a monster, fastest consumer CPU by Intel yet. If priced competitively against TR2, i dont see a problem.

And about not being new - if its 2000, when until now you could buy it only for 8000, then its as good as new, because for 8000, it was never an option. Well, to me, its not an option even at 2000, but thats another story :-D

Well, thats my opinion. I know 7980XE already needs a heck of a cooler at stock, and 10 more cores ? On the same technology ? The $8000 chip won't do 5 ghz, or close to it.

So, we will see, but thats my take TODAY on the situation.

 

[formulav8]

It's just downright silly that people are complaining about this. Any tech enthusiast should know to take this at face value: Intel showcased a 28-core running at 5GHz. Amazing accomplishment, but of course the base clock will be 2.7GHz not 5GHz. Who would've thought...?

Intel helped to bring that expectation. They didn't mention overclocking, and especially the cooling that they used. In fact, listen to how they talk about it.

They say stuff like: "Other computers required 2 to 4 sockets to get what this single socket 28 core CPU can do @ 5ghz"

Also "What's amazing is this CPU actually gives you 5ghz and gives you that single threaded performance frequency, like, like not having to sacrifice that multi threaded performance."

In fact, they were muttering and sputtering so much you could not really make out exactly what they were meaning. They said some very weird, confusing things throughout the revealing.

 

[formulav8]

Why would it not be real product anytime soon? You say its existing Xeon yourself.

They possibly fairly recently found out about AMD's 24/32 core TR sku's coming out and caught off guard (again). So they need to come up with a plan.

And the CPU's will most likely run at speeds higher than the Xeon. So they will have to go through trial/error/validation to see what they can get @ reasonable yields.

 

[scannall]

They possibly fairly recently found out about AMD's 24/32 core TR sku's coming out and caught off guard (again). So they need to come up with a plan.

And the CPU's will most likely run at speeds higher than the Xeon. So they will have to go through trial/error/validation to see what they can get @ reasonable yields.

Who wants to bet they will disable ECC memory again?

 

[Indus]

Apparently its a repackaged Skylake with a new cooling solution. (Air Conditioned Chiller that uses a 1000 watts).

 

[zinfamous]

It's just downright silly that people are complaining about this. Any tech enthusiast should know to take this at face value: Intel showcased a 28-core running at 5GHz. Amazing accomplishment, but of course the base clock will be 2.7GHz not 5GHz. Who would've thought...?

But this is an existing chip that they are claiming does something that probably less than 0.02% of people will ever do with it, and for no meaningful reason. What's the point of making such a display at Computex?

 

[ehume]

. . . basic math says that even if we consider mainstream 6c @ 5Ghz = 100W, then HEDT 28C @ 5Ghz = 500W.

I've got an ordinary 8700k (not binned). Using LinX 0.6.5, (Linpack with AVX2) I pull down 145-150 watts at 5GHz and a Vcore of 1.37 static. I say the chip is ordinary because with less Vcore it will not do LinX at 5GHz.

 

[coercitiv]

I've got an ordinary 8700k (not binned). Using LinX 0.6.5, (Linpack with AVX2) I pull down 145-150 watts at 5GHz and a Vcore of 1.37 static. I say the chip is ordinary because with less Vcore it will not do LinX at 5GHz.

The point of that post was to make it clear the demo chip required special cooling (other than air/AIO). The 100W was considered for non-AVX loads, assuming Intel would have used a golden chip on a presumably further optimized 14nm. In other words, even in the most optimistic conditions, special cooling was still mandatory.

For example, if we are to consider your 150W value for AVX loads @ 1.37V, then a golden sample chip @ 1.28V would use around 130W under the same load and moving to Cinebench would easily drop around 100W.

 

[CHADBOGA]

10/10 Thread OP.


Indeed, the giant has woken... but it's not a giant in terms of physical size, market cap, or number of employees. The Technology Innovation Giant, AMD, has awoken.

LOL Intel's stuff ups in manufacturing, don't make other companies great.

 

[Timmah!]

Pretty sure someone "confirmed" it, but it makes sense when you factor in the need to unload the dies. The LCC and HCC models could just be Cascade Lake instead of more Skylake and then Cascade Lake later.

Do you think there will be 2 HEDT platforms then, 2066 for Cascade Lake and 3647 or whatever the name is for XCC Skylakes?

 

[jpiniero]

Do you think there will be 2 HEDT platforms then, 2066 for Cascade Lake and 3647 or whatever the name is for XCC Skylakes?

It's possible Intel could refresh 2066 with more Skylake first but pretty much yeah. I do expect the TDP's to be much higher across the board.

 

[FIVR]

LOL Intel's stuff ups in manufacturing, don't make other companies great.

It has nothing to do with "manufacturing". That's the only thing Intel still does well, at all. Their manufacturing prowess is probably the only reason they can still sell CPUs. It certainly isn't their "architecture" . We can see that by how easily a company a fraction of the size and R&D levels beat them at their own game.

I'll break it down for you:

One company has a small market cap, but it innovates. Brings all sorts of new technology to the market and consumers (HBM, Infinity Fabric, Etc.). Doubles the amount of cores on consumer CPUs for the same price.


The other company has a huge market cap, 10x the number of employees. It sits on its laurels, rakes in cash, does not innovate. Spends most of its money on PR stunts like "5Ghz" chilled-water 28 core CPUs and "wearables". Has no roadmap, no plan to introduce new technology... and instead of trying to develop one it engages in anticompetitive actions.


Which company is "great"?

 

[Timmah!]

It's possible Intel could refresh 2066 with more Skylake first but pretty much yeah. I do expect the TDP's to be much higher across the board.

Dont you think they are just going to replace 2066 with that bigger socket? Then perhaps use HCC dies in the same manner the Kaby Lake X was implemented for 2066?

 

[CHADBOGA]

It has nothing to do with "manufacturing". That's the only thing Intel still does well, at all. Their manufacturing prowess is probably the only reason they can still sell CPUs. It certainly isn't their "architecture" . We can see that by how easily a company a fraction of the size and R&D levels beat them at their own game.

I'll break it down for you:

One company has a small market cap, but it innovates. Brings all sorts of new technology to the market and consumers (HBM, Infinity Fabric, Etc.). Doubles the amount of cores on consumer CPUs for the same price.


The other company has a huge market cap, 10x the number of employees. It sits on its laurels, rakes in cash, does not innovate. Spends most of its money on PR stunts like "5Ghz" chilled-water 28 core CPUs and "wearables". Has no roadmap, no plan to introduce new technology... and instead of trying to develop one it engages in anticompetitive actions.


Which company is "great"?

If Intel wasn't 2+ years late on their manufacturing, AMD wouldn't be getting a look in, yet you don't think manufacturing is the issue.

You are so wrong it isn't funny, although your comment about Infinity Fabric was truly hilarious.

 

[LTC8K6]

Here's the Anandtech story: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12893/intels-28core-5-ghz-cpu-coming-in-q4 . Check out the 3rd paragraph, doesn't sound like they're surprised by the 5GHz number being possible without sub-ambient cooling.

I read that already. Anadtech is pretty gullible.

 

[LTC8K6]

This would have been like AMD running a Threadripper 1950X at 5.2GHZ on LN2 and the press saying “Threadripper runs over 5GHz!”

Somehow I think reporters and most people would have strongly questioned a "16 cores at 5ghz on air coming in 2018" demo from AMD...yet they seem to have swallowed this whole from Intel regarding a 28 core chip.

 

[Paratus]

Somehow I think reporters and most people would have strongly questioned a "16 cores at 5ghz on air coming in 2018" demo from AMD...yet they seem to have swallowed this whole from Intel regarding a 28 core chip.

Bingo!

 

[FIVR]

If Intel wasn't 2+ years late on their manufacturing, AMD wouldn't be getting a look in, yet you don't think manufacturing is the issue.

You are so wrong it isn't funny, although your comment about Infinity Fabric was truly hilarious.

If intel wasn't 2 years early on its manufacturing, they would've lost to AMD long ago. Their manufacturing is the only thing that made their garbage architecture compete at all. They always were inferior CPU architecture designers even to IBM. Their nodes are what made the company.


Your comment just shows how little you understand technology. Infinity Fabric is huge and intel is desperately trying to replicate it right now. They tried with "mesh" but all they got was reduced performance in games lol.

Should be a fun next 2 years for both you and intel

 

[Zucker2k]

It has nothing to do with "manufacturing". That's the only thing Intel still does well, at all. Their manufacturing prowess is probably the only reason they can still sell CPUs. It certainly isn't their "architecture" . We can see that by how easily a company a fraction of the size and R&D levels beat them at their own game.

I'll break it down for you:

One company has a small market cap, but it innovates. Brings all sorts of new technology to the market and consumers (HBM, Infinity Fabric, Etc.). Doubles the amount of cores on consumer CPUs for the same price.


The other company has a huge market cap, 10x the number of employees. It sits on its laurels, rakes in cash, does not innovate. Spends most of its money on PR stunts like "5Ghz" chilled-water 28 core CPUs and "wearables". Has no roadmap, no plan to introduce new technology... and instead of trying to develop one it engages in anticompetitive actions.


Which company is "great"?

Wow! Lots of untruths in there, but I've come to expect that from somebody who does nothing but rant all day about Intel.

 

[LTC8K6]

Bingo!

It's funny that it was immediately questioned when it was posted here. The first reply is to question the claim.

 

[Zucker2k]

Somehow I think reporters and most people would have strongly questioned a "16 cores at 5ghz on air coming in 2018" demo from AMD...yet they seem to have swallowed this whole from Intel regarding a 28 core chip.

It's simple, really. No reporter worth their salt at that event would be so clueless as to think Intel could release a 5Ghz, 28-Core CPU from its stable at this time. An event like that would spell complete cataclysm for AMD and would have far reaching consequences in the chip industry. I don't know why anyone would even entertain such a thought.

 

[maddie]

Somehow I think reporters and most people would have strongly questioned a "16 cores at 5ghz on air coming in 2018" demo from AMD...yet they seem to have swallowed this whole from Intel regarding a 28 core chip.

This post on taking and promoting Intel's marketing at face value is PLATINUM.