Intel processors crashing Unreal engine games (and others)

[H433x0n]

I certainly hope so. They have been at the forefront of consumer advocacy for the DIY community for years now. And I'll laugh every time they use the "Thanks Steve" "Back to you Steve" clips they took from that cringefest Intel presentation.

Eh I disagree. I think the LTT bashing, the Asus bashing, the Zen 4X3D “investigation” and numerous other things he’s covered has been way over the top and filled with histrionics.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Eh I disagree. I think the LTT bashing, the Asus bashing, the Zen 4X3D “investigation” and numerous other things he’s covered has been way over the top and filled with histrionics.

Do not forget his lack of a comprehensive education. His belief that the tubes on an AIO should be mounted on top when mounted on the front of a case. You guys can scratch your head on that one.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Classic shoot the messenger fallacy; It's like shooting a charging bull with a nerf gun. With well over 2 million subscribers and one of the best reputations in the biz, GN has a lot of influence. I know who the masses will trust and it ain't anonymous forum dwellers. 🤣

 

[H433x0n]

Classic shoot the messenger fallacy; It's like shooting a charging bull with a nerf gun. With well over 2 million subscribers and one of the best reputations in the biz, GN has a lot of influence. I know who the masses will trust and it ain't anonymous forum dwellers. 🤣

I’m not saying he isn’t trustworthy. I generally believe his reporting.

Off topic tangent: I just find him insufferable - To me he gives off the vibe of an edge lord anti establishment type that refuses to vote because “both sides are the same mannn”. The type of person that feels like their nihilism and cynicism is an indication of their deep wisdom and integrity when in reality it just means you’re too immature to handle society as it is.

 

[Ranulf]

It’s going to happen. He’ll do a 3 episode series on it filled with moral outrage and righteous indignation in true Gamers Nexus style.

Well, just so long as he doesn't blame the users for not making sure the cables are flush with the connector or in this case making sure the HSF is properly mounted on the socket frame. I mean its the customer's fault if they don't buy an aftermarket mount to help that.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Well, just so long as he doesn't blame the users for not making sure the cables are flush with the connector or in this case making sure the HSF is properly mounted on the socket frame. I mean its the customer's fault if they don't buy an aftermarket mount to help that.

I invoke Poe's law on this post.

 

[Rigg]

His belief that the tubes on an AIO should be mounted on top when mounted on the front of a case. You guys can scratch your head on that one.

This is not his belief. His video on it recommends exactly the opposite. The same tubes down orientation that Corsair recommends on it's website when front mounting an AIO.

However, the front of the case usually has enough space for an AIO radiator too. You can mount it here if you want to, but we only recommend this if the tubes connecting the radiator to the pump are at the bottom, with the top end of the radiator above the pump. This will make it easier for the air to naturally sit at the top of the radiator.

The only thing I'm scratching my head on is your blatant mischaracterization of his position on this.

 

[Hans Gruber]

This is not his belief. His video on it recommends exactly the opposite. The same tubes down orientation that Corsair recommends on it's website when front mounting an AIO.



The only thing I'm scratching my head on is your blatant mischaracterization of his position on this.

I was going by memory. Obviously I got his suggestion backwards. My point was that it doesn't matter. Every AIO manufacturer shows their promotional material with their AIO's with the tubes up. Most AIO (tubes) are short. Even if you wanted to mount them low you couldn't do it on the front of the case.

 

[Hitman928]

I was going by memory. Obviously I got his suggestion backwards. My point was that it doesn't matter. Every AIO manufacturer shows their promotional material with their AIO's with the tubes up. Most AIO (tubes) are short. Even if you wanted to mount them low you couldn't do it on the front of the case.

It really just depends on where the pump is and how good the manufacturer is at getting air out of the loop.

 

[Rigg]

I was going by memory. Obviously I got his suggestion backwards. My point was that it doesn't matter. Every AIO manufacturer shows their promotional material with their AIO's with the tubes up. Most AIO (tubes) are short. Even if you wanted to mount them low you couldn't do it on the front of the case.

Oh Okay, I must of misread your post that began with a smug ad-hominem attack regarding his "lack of a comprehensive education" and finished by suggesting we scratch our heads as to why anyone would suggest front-mounting an AIO tubes up. It seems to me your point clearly wasn't that it doesn't matter. Just take the L man. This was a dumb post. Own it and move on. Don't break your chain back-pedaling.

Anyway, back to Intel sucking at enforcing power limits.

 

[WelshBloke]

Tubes up or tubes down it's going to sound horrible with air in there anyway!
Top up your AIOs when they start gurgling!

 

[coercitiv]

Gamers Nexus are so annoying, let's blame them for something and forget about this Intel issue. It's not like GN is one of the best platforms for Intel to get good will from consumers via informative presentations from Tom Petersen.

Nah, let's focus on tubes and vibes. Back to you, Steve!

 

[Rigg]

Back to you, Steve!

Thanks Steve!

 

[Ranulf]

I invoke Poe's law on this post.

Stop ruining my fun sir. Gosh.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Interesting conversation with the doc at PC World. He mentions historically memory controllers on new generations of DDR suffer degradation the worst. Until the IP goes through revisions and is hardened further. He says it's the board makers we should be annoyed at. Because they push for bigger bar better.

 

[BFG10K]

At base power of 125W (look it up on ark) the 14900k uses 91W in an average of 41 apps, while the 7950x at default uses 128W ,that's 41% more power that ryzen needs to get 3.5% more performance than intel.
Just because it is overclockable and ryzen is not doesn't mean that it's inefficient.
And base power isn't any eco mode either, it's the official TDP.

Please show where Intel enforces this across reviews and motherboard vendors. Without enforcement, "TDP", "base power", and "turbo power" are nothing more than marketing masturbation. 508W in practice, gg.

Enforcing 125W doesn't cause this.

 

[TheELF]

I am surprised Gamers Nexus has not been sued for some of his videos. The video in the post above about Intel is just another example.

Because it's "entertainment" , you can't sue someone for his opinion.

Please show where Intel enforces this across reviews and motherboard vendors.

Because that would change your, or anybody's mind, right?!
They can't enforce it any more than they do now. At least not without looking extremely anti-consumer in doing so.
It's the official specs on their official website, but they are unlocked parts and intel can't force reviewers to review an unlocked part fully locked. (again, not without looking extremely bad in the process)

But also, derbauer leaked the review guidelines for the KS model with 320W being the extreme setting (and 253W being the performance setting) in that one, far below the 500W you state for the simple K model.
Words have meanings, and if people can't understand that extreme doesn't mean default then they have serious issues.

 

[BFG10K]

Because that would change your, or anybody's mind, right?!
They can't enforce it any more than they do now. At least not without looking extremely anti-consumer in doing so.
It's the official specs on their official website, but they are unlocked parts and intel can't force reviewers to review an unlocked part fully locked. (again, not without looking extremely bad in the process)

So the answer is "Intel specs are meaningless". See, that wasn't so hard to admit now, was it.

But also, derbauer leaked the review guidelines for the KS model with 320W being the extreme setting (and 253W being the performance setting) in that one, far below the 500W you state for the simple K model.
Words have meanings, and if people can't understand that extreme doesn't mean default then they have serious issues.

That's right folks, it's "the user's fault" the motherboard defaults to uncapped power out of the box and demonstrably pulls 508W, while Intel does nothing to stop it. Poor poor lil' Intel, the $161 billion corporation getting bullied by those nasty mobo vendors and reviewers, amirite?

 

[bononos]

Eh I disagree. I think the LTT bashing, the Asus bashing, the Zen 4X3D “investigation” and numerous other things he’s covered has been way over the top and filled with histrionics.

Sounds like you dislike GN and I don't know why. I haven't followed LTT closely but GN's take seems right on the money with their problems with mistakes in their videos and office culture problems. Same with Asus. Not sure what 'numerous other things' that are supposedly way over the top/exaggerated.

I remembered some people knocking GN for their videos on Gigabytes exploding psu's and saying what GN is doing is non-standard/unfair/whatever but fail to explain what exactly is so wrong/unfair with GN's testing. Just weird why they kept defending Gigabyte when those models in questions were so bad.

 

[IEC]

I'm so glad I run my 12600K at sane settings. My MSI Z690 ACE wanted to default to 4096W (i.e. uncapped) behavior which would give me -0.1% more FPS with the bonus reward of double the heat and possibly IMC degradation.

Sweet!

 

[Ranulf]

Sounds like you dislike GN and I don't know why.

While they do good stuff, other times they get a bit over zealous or just have rather out there opinions or analyses. I would not be surprised if the contact frame stuff of 12th gen becomes another "its the customers fault" that the fit is not flush like Steve said with the gpu power cables.

 

[coercitiv]

I would not be surprised if the contact frame stuff of 12th gen becomes another "its the customers fault" that the fit is not flush like Steve said with the gpu power cables.

What's the issue with "the contact frame stuff"?

 

[Ranulf]

What's the issue with "the contact frame stuff"?

Bending or warping CPU's in the socket. Uneven contact with heatsinks leads to higher temps.

Thermalright LGA1700-BCF Contact Frame Review : Can it tame Raptor Lake’s heat?

Impressive temperature reduction for those impacted by CPU bending

www.tomshardware.com

 

[coercitiv]

Bending or warping CPU's in the socket. Uneven contact with heatsinks leads to higher temps.

I know what the contact frames are, I'm asking about the issue with contact frames and GN. AFAIK they covered both the Thermal Grizzly and Thermalright ones: mounting procedures, pressure tests, thermal results. They also explained some of the caveats.

So where is the "it's the customers fault" part?

 

[IGBT]

"Intel is discontinuing its boxed overclockable Core i5, i7, and i9 Raptor Lake CPUs. Every K-series chip in the lineup will be discontinued on May 24th, 2024, after which vendors will no longer be able to purchase them." https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-lineup-will-be-discontinued-by-may-24th-2024