Funny how things turn out over say 10 years. That Tom is at Intel now (formerly Nvidia) and talking a lot with GN is certainly a thing I wouldn't have expected. I used to be a fan of Shrout at PCPer and AMDmb before that.
Funny how things turn out over say 10 years. That Tom is at Intel now (formerly Nvidia) and talking a lot with GN is certainly a thing I wouldn't have expected. I used to be a fan of Shrout at PCPer and AMDmb before that.
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Seems like it was a microcode issue:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-co...hensive-update-of-its-own-investigation-leak/
https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-co...hensive-update-of-its-own-investigation-leak/
"may reduce processor reliability."
Is that temporary here-and-now reliability, or long term we-have-degraded-your-CPU reliability?
And, are they actually going to release and official statement including RMA and warranty info?
Is that temporary here-and-now reliability, or long term we-have-degraded-your-CPU reliability?
And, are they actually going to release and official statement including RMA and warranty info?
Goody. Now I can look forward to a future where I might be able to buy a cheap used delidded 14900KS.
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100% Intel's screwup. All of those that were blaming the users are looking really bad right now.
I wonder how TVB is causing crashes when non-TVB CPUs like 13700K/14700K also had issues.
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Just sad. I don’t see how this isn’t anyone but Intel’s fault. If the CPU vendor can’t identify the root cause with all the resources at their disposal, how can we blame mobo vendors or reviewers who have only a fraction of those same resources?
My cynicism tells me Intel likely will just sweep this under the rug since they’ve moved onto MTL and soon enough LNL and ARL.
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LoL at Tom's for simping for Intel.
Yup, let's not focus on them crashing and still not identifying a root cause. eTVB is awesome, trust us, just buy it. /s
I have a feeling Intel knows the root cause. They are just trying to figure out a way of saying they overclocked their chips too far without actually saying that.
Yup, let's not focus on them crashing and still not identifying a root cause. eTVB is awesome, trust us, just buy it. /s
I have a feeling Intel knows the root cause. They are just trying to figure out a way of saying they overclocked their chips too far without actually saying that.
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"We failed at binning but not as hard as Qualcomm with 4.3G Hamoa" definitely takes the 2024 failure crown so far.
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When you have a good part and a good node you can settle for a very comfy stock part and have everything you need.
Intel meanwhile has leaned desperately hard into the 'gamer stable' crowd which is just a paradise of grifters, not to mention the lack of oversight on OEM BIOS settings.
Why? Because the thing at reasonable clocks has no competitive edge at all.
Intel meanwhile has leaned desperately hard into the 'gamer stable' crowd which is just a paradise of grifters, not to mention the lack of oversight on OEM BIOS settings.
Why? Because the thing at reasonable clocks has no competitive edge at all.
Intel just refuses to learn from their mistakes. They ignore that Broadwell was still decent for gaming even in 2020. They ignored the performance advantage of 5800X3D. Heck, when AMD demoed their V-cache prototype, Intel should've embarked on a competing solution that very same day. Then they would've had something to show maybe three years later. But no. These dumb idiots running the show at Intel (Pat's underlings) think that brute force frequency ramping is the solution to everything. It's like they don't understand anything about the importance of latency masking. And the engineers there must be real chickens**ts for not speaking up against stupid marketing decisions.
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TLDW = Why did you buy Raptor Lake high end for gaming again? LMAO
Note: I don't think Steve knew about the TVB bug at time of filming, which may contribute to the issues even if not the primary cause. Consequently, his conclusion to use the XTREME!!1! profile may be inaccurate due to that lack of updated info?
Regardless, if you bought the K SKU and did not plan to manually overclock or tweak it (as numerous responses on r/Intel, reddit, and youtube have asserted) you did not get the performance you paid for. I'd suggest the performance profile as the power savings outweigh the performance regression IMO.
Note: I don't think Steve knew about the TVB bug at time of filming, which may contribute to the issues even if not the primary cause. Consequently, his conclusion to use the XTREME!!1! profile may be inaccurate due to that lack of updated info?
Regardless, if you bought the K SKU and did not plan to manually overclock or tweak it (as numerous responses on r/Intel, reddit, and youtube have asserted) you did not get the performance you paid for. I'd suggest the performance profile as the power savings outweigh the performance regression IMO.
Atrocious!
This is worse than AMD's Bulldozer!
Demoed? The 3D vials were there in Zen3 for ages before AMD said anything and I cannot see how a corporation the size of Intel had not taken an Xray images of Zen3 by then.
As for Broadwell - well that was one of the most interesting Intel CPUs in years but was so largely ignored.
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Stay tuned for Season 2!
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TL;DR - New Default Settings for Core i5/i7 SKUs, eTVB microcode update, but no final solution to instability issues.
Intel releases eTVB microcode fix and new Default Settings for 13/14th Gen Core i5/i7 CPUs, instability investigation still ongoing - VideoCardz.com
New Default Settings for Core i5/i7 SKUs, eTVB microcode update, but no final solution to instability issues Intel has released a new statement on the instability issue observed in some 13th and 14th Gen Core “Raptor Lake” processors. The good news is that Intel is actively working on the...
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TL;DR - New Default Settings for Core i5/i7 SKUs, eTVB microcode update, but no final solution to instability issues.
i5 and i7? So much for "it only affects some i9 SKUs" then!Stay tuned for Season 2!
Intel releases eTVB microcode fix and new Default Settings for 13/14th Gen Core i5/i7 CPUs, instability investigation still ongoing - VideoCardz.com
New Default Settings for Core i5/i7 SKUs, eTVB microcode update, but no final solution to instability issues Intel has released a new statement on the instability issue observed in some 13th and 14th Gen Core “Raptor Lake” processors. The good news is that Intel is actively working on the...
TL;DR - New Default Settings for Core i5/i7 SKUs, eTVB microcode update, but no final solution to instability issues.
Updated to the 11th June BIOS. IccMax is still Unlimited at default settings. However, Turbo Boost Power Max is now 241W by default, instead of 125W.
I'm guessing the BIOS may be applying safe default settings for only 13th/14th gen K CPUs.
Yeah a friend of mine did that. He ended up having cpu temperature issues.
No, because they don't care about efficiency. If they did, why wouldn't they?
But that's besides the point honestly. The point is, if 14900k is "worse than Bulldozer" what are your feelings about the 7950x when it consumes more power while being slower?
That's exactly the point.
It doesn't mean this data isn't interesting and , honestly, if I was an Intel guy looking (or already owning) a 14900k CPU, I'd be VERY interested in this.
But very little number of people will do any of this. Note that this also applies to Eco mode on Ryzen.
I'm happy it is there but it should never be used to compare CPUs general performance.
Note that you didn't (maybe neither TPU) mention if this was with latest bios, security patches et all (for Ryzen too of course).
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You are off to a bad start here. I deleted your other off topic posts.
We require you stay on topic. Your posts have nothing to do with 13th and 14th gen CPUs crashing in games. An issue Intel is aware of and efforting a solution to.
Also, please read and follow all of the forum guidelines and CPU forum rules.
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Intel i9-13900K/14900K Highly Unstable in The First Descendant: Crashes Every 5 Mins | Hardware Times
We recently reported on the continued instability of Intel’s 13th and 14th Gen K-series processors in gaming. We’ve RMA’d three Core i9-13900KF (one still in progress), and a Core i7-14700KF in the last couple of months. Ergo, the RMA of the first chip failed, and then the RMA of the RMA...
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Literally, problem is still there.
I assume future UE5 game would have same fate on Raptor CPU.
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