Discussion Intel Nova Lake in H2-2026: Discussion Threads

[jdubs03]

4+0+4 is exactly the one NVL model that is using Intel 18A and that model should improve IFS utilization.

If it’s by far the highest volume then sure. I know they are aiming for 70% 18A. TBD.

 

[511]

If it’s by far the highest volume then sure. I know they are aiming for 70% 18A. TBD.

It's 100% IFS 70% Wafer split was for Panther

 

[DrMrLordX]

AFAIK IPC wise they might be comparable, it may come down to clocks.

Nova Lake-S is allegedly only ~10% faster than Arrow Lake-S in ST. Allegedly. That would not put it ahead of its competition.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Nova Lake-S is allegedly only ~10% faster than Arrow Lake-S in ST. Allegedly. That would not put it ahead of its competition.

A bit more, but it's still low teens 1t gain.

That would not put it ahead of its competition.

that's putting it rather lightly.

 

[MerryCherry]

Nova Lake-S is allegedly only ~10% faster than Arrow Lake-S in ST. Allegedly. That would not put it ahead of its competition.

That's too so bad, it's hard to believe.

Haven't they been stagnant in ST since like Raptor Lake in 2022?

 

[adroc_thurston]

That's too so bad, it's hard to believe.

Low teens IPC is normal for a tock.
They just have no fmax gains due to combination of Suck and N2 Vmax going down.

Haven't they been stagnant in ST since like Raptor Lake in 2022?

yeah.

 

[Kepler_L2]

According to VideoCardz NVL-S dual-tile will be an HEDT type product and not part of the regular desktop lineup (despite sharing the same socket):

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-x-hedt-nova-lake-s-rumor-52-core-full-power-mode-could-push-motherboard-requirements-higher

 

[jpiniero]

what kind of MT workloads do you do on your desktop?

Cinebench!!!!

 

[adroc_thurston]

According to VideoCardz NVL-S dual-tile will be an HEDT type product and not part of the regular desktop lineup (despite sharing the same socket):

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-x-hedt-nova-lake-s-rumor-52-core-full-power-mode-could-push-motherboard-requirements-higher

Bless Intel for trying.
They're gonna be squeezed into poverty ASPs anyway.

 

[511]

According to VideoCardz NVL-S dual-tile will be an HEDT type product and not part of the regular desktop lineup (despite sharing the same socket):

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-x-hedt-nova-lake-s-rumor-52-core-full-power-mode-could-push-motherboard-requirements-higher

That's according to jaykihn not VideoCardz

 

[Kepler_L2]

That's according to jaykihn not VideoCardz

No, it's from their own sources

 

[techjunkie123]

Almost nobody needs 52 C with limited membw. Intel is in for a rude awakening if it thinks that halo part will sell buckets.

On the flip side, 4 P + 4 LPE cores is probably not enough in today's market.

The question is, what clocks will Zen 6 hit? If we're talking +10% fmax +8% IPC then overall +20% ST is reasonable. Zen 5 and ARL are basically the same, so Zen 6 should have a 10% or so lead over NVL in ST (assuming NVL fmax is the same as ARL).

 

[511]

Almost nobody needs 52 C with limited membw. Intel is in for a rude awakening if it thinks that halo part will sell buckets.

They can simply just move the tiles to other part

On the flip side, 4 P + 4 LPE cores is probably not enough in today's market.

It's enough for normal people who do office and web browsing and some apps?

The question is, what clocks will Zen 6 hit? If we're talking +10% fmax +8% IPC then overall +20% ST is reasonable. Zen 5 and ARL are basically the same, so Zen 6 should have a 10% or so lead over NVL in ST (assuming NVL fmax is the same as ARL).

going to be 10% IPC and 8-10% most likely

 

[SAAA]

Doesn't matter much if IPC is only ~10% more than arrow lake in the average bench or application, wait for results in gaming with the big cache tile. After what broadwell and zen got with the extra memory there will be quite the uproar.

 

[Joe NYC]

That's too so bad, it's hard to believe.

Haven't they been stagnant in ST since like Raptor Lake in 2022?

There should be some fmax increase for NVL, in addition to IPC increase. Unlike ARL, which had either no increase or regression (depending on model compared).

 

[Joe NYC]

Low teens IPC is normal for a tock.
They just have no fmax gains due to combination of Suck and N2 Vmax going down.

I would be surprised if there is no fmax gain for NVL.

 

[511]

We are like 6-9 Months away and we had PTL not reaching 5 Ghz to it being 5.1 so maybe 200-300Mhz more is possible have to see

 

[Joe NYC]

According to VideoCardz NVL-S dual-tile will be an HEDT type product and not part of the regular desktop lineup (despite sharing the same socket):

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-x-hedt-nova-lake-s-rumor-52-core-full-power-mode-could-push-motherboard-requirements-higher

HEDT used to mean more memory channels, which NVL will not offer.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I would be surprised if there is no fmax gain for NVL.

It's hard to get moar fmax when you suck and maximum safe voltage does gown 100mV.

 

[511]

It's hard to get moar fmax when you suck and maximum safe voltage does gown 100mV.

Everyone is going to be affected by this not just Intel

 

[Fjodor2001]

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No, it's from their own sources

Sounds more like it's their own interpretation of Jaykihn's tweet.

Wccftech makes a slightly different interpretation of the same tweet:

Only High-End 900-Series Motherboards Will Support Full Power of Intel's 52-Core Nova Lake CPUs

Intel Nova Lake-S Desktop CPUs with 52 cores will require highest-end 900-series motherboards to display their full performance potential.

wccftech.com

in short:
"Intel Nova Lake 52-Core Desktop CPUs To Display Full Power on Higher-End 900-Series Motherboards, Rest Will Limit Performance & Power"

Could perhaps be that they mean the same thing, but use slightly different wordings. But then what does that HEDT actually mean for NVL-S? Is it just that HEDT motherboards allows higher power to be used for the 52C variant? And you can still run the 52C on non-HEDT motherboards? Or what else does HEDT bring?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Everyone is going to be affected by this not just Intel

Nope, Intel is the only one hugging 1.5v on N3.
Everyone else is wayyyy below that.

 

[Momoka_]

Nova Lake-S is allegedly only ~10% faster than Arrow Lake-S in ST. Allegedly. That would not put it ahead of its competition.

Coyote Cove delivers an 11% INT IPC uplift and a 15% FP uplift over Cougar Cove. The IPC uplift for Arctic Wolf remains unknown.

 

[511]

Nope, Intel is the only one hugging 1.5v on N3.
Everyone else is wayyyy below that.

check facts before speaking lmao

don't know ARM cause they are secretive as hell

 

[511]

Coyote Cove delivers an 11% INT IPC uplift and a 15% FP uplift over Cougar Cove. The IPC uplift for Arctic Wolf remains unknown.

Source? that seems low also waiting for this leak to spread on News website only to be re posted again here only than i will believe this.