Discussion Intel Nova Lake in H2-2026: Discussion Threads

[igor_kavinski]

Because you still need a different TO even for the same design for server.
Seveer CCDs target different v/f ranges, with different Vts and considerably different binning targets.

Doesn't make sense. Downclock the desktop CCD and it works more efficiently.

Now if you are talking about specific enterprise features like on-the-fly reliability and recovery features in silicon, yeah, then it makes sense to have a server CCD.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Downclock the desktop CCD and it works more efficiently.

That's not how it works.

Now if you are talking about specific enterprise features like on-the-fly reliability and recovery features in silicon, yeah, then it makes sense to have a server CCD.

AMD has full RAS in most places.

 

[OneEng2]

Infinite reading comprehension levels.
(my point is that DT CCD != Server CCD. They're different things).

That is my feeling as well .... thus the question.

 

[QuickyDuck]

DT CCD and Server CCD are at different stepping so there are some "special sauce" and probably not interchangeable

 

[511]

I thought I was in Zen 6 thread 🤣

 

[Fjodor2001]

man this kid really expect everyone to spoonfeed him.

Man this kid just keep feeding us BS/guessing, but framing it as insider knowledge. What a joke. You already lost your cred with the Zen5 40% IPC claim which turned out to be Zen 5%. Your trust is gone, you need to provide links if we should believe your claims now.

money.

BS/guessing, or provide $ amount if you have an actual claim.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Man this kid just keep feeding us BS/guessing, but framing it as insider knowledge. What a joke. You already lost your cred with the Zen5 40% IPC claim which turned out to be Zen 5%. Your trust is gone, you need to provide links if we should believe your claims now.

BS/guessing, or provide $ amount if you have an actual claim.

Tons of word vomit.
Get real.

 

[Fjodor2001]

The price of the 12c X3D will dictate the market. I'm betting on $599.

Ok, then what would you expect the 24C Zen6 to cost? And the 52C NVL-S?

Both are on consumer DT platform, so I would not expect too high cost.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Tons of word vomit.
Get real.

So no real answer as usual. You're such a joke and your trust is gone a long time ago.

 

[adroc_thurston]

So no real answer as usual. You're such a joke and your trust is gone a long time ago.

I don't need 'trust' in a petting zoo.

 

[Fjodor2001]

I don't need 'trust' in a petting zoo.

This is not going anywhere. Keep on speculating and framing it as insider knowledge. Nobody cares anymore.

 

[adroc_thurston]

This is not going anywhere. Keep on speculating and framing it as insider knowledge. Nobody cares anymore.

You're visibly upset and that is cute, but also pointless.
You're not gonna get spoonfed. Get real.

 

[inquiss]

It's what has already happened with 8C CPUs. 16C+ soon to follow.

16/24C is still top SKU, so not yet mainstream. When we get 24/48C CPUs as top SKU, 16C will become mainstream.

Lol, no it won't. 12 c will be mainstream next gen because the mainstream is a single CCD with full cores or one cut down. Core count is going up, does that every now and again, but while cores are getting stronger it's not that important for performance.

Yet again the single CCD with Vcache will be the DIY choice.

Apart from a feeling, a personal one (albeit shared by a vocal delusional minority of people on tech forums) do you have any reasoning or data that shows that customers are 1) interested in 16c today or 2) that 16c could become mainstream next gen based on logic (looks to me that this involves two cut down 12c dies to 16c (from 24c) wasting 33% of cores. Can't see that catching on personally.

 

[branch_suggestion]

Ok, then what would you expect the 24C Zen6 to cost?

$750

And the 52C NVL-S?

$700

 

[Thunder 57]

I don't need 'trust' in a petting zoo.

Calling your peers in a forum a "petting zoo" doesn't win you any favors. But then again if you think we are zoo animals you don't think of us as peers.

 

[adroc_thurston]

But then again if you think we are zoo animals you don't think of us as peers.

Some are, some aren't.
Places like RWT forums usually have a single acidic sperg (there it's Maynard).
This place has like a dozen.

 

[desrever]

$750

$700

Intel really going broke if thats the case, having the 52C at $700 would mean their mainstream CPUs would be like $100

 

[OneEng2]

Ok, then what would you expect the 24C Zen6 to cost? And the 52C NVL-S?

Both are on consumer DT platform, so I would not expect too high cost.

The market dictates the price of a product. The product DOESN'T dictate the price the market will pay.

Max core count, top bin processor (regardless of how many cores and how fast it goes) sits at around $800 at launch. The 9950 was like this, but now after ramp up is sitting around $450.

A new generation of CPU's will not make a new market .... and therefore will not change the price consumers are willing to pay for a particular market segment.

Lol, no it won't. 12 c will be mainstream next gen because the mainstream is a single CCD with full cores or one cut down. Core count is going up, does that every now and again, but while cores are getting stronger it's not that important for performance.

Yet again the single CCD with Vcache will be the DIY choice.

Apart from a feeling, a personal one (albeit shared by a vocal delusional minority of people on tech forums) do you have any reasoning or data that shows that customers are 1) interested in 16c today or 2) that 16c could become mainstream next gen based on logic (looks to me that this involves two cut down 12c dies to 16c (from 24c) wasting 33% of cores. Can't see that catching on personally.

This is absolutely true.

Both AMD and Intel will drive mainstream pricing at a single CCD product. For Zen 6, that means a 12c/24t part.

I am quite interested in how the market will see a 12c part compared to a 52 core part. The optics definitely are in Intel's favor on this one.

 

[adroc_thurston]

The optics definitely are in Intel's favor on this one.

DIY people buy the biggest gaming stick, and they've also been Pavlov'd into craving the X3D tendies by dr. Lisa Su.

would mean their mainstream CPUs would be like $100

no?

 

[OneEng2]

Intel really going broke if thats the case, having the 52C at $700 would mean their mainstream CPUs would be like $100

As I mentioned, might be $800 ish at launch, but top of the market in desktop is not going to suddenly be $1600 just because Intel decided to core bomb the part (IMO).

Their main stream CPU's will still be ~$150-$200. Budget? below that.

Prices of a new gen CPU start off inflated (for those who just can't wait).

 

[adroc_thurston]

Prices of a new gen CPU start off inflated

I'm pretty sure 9800X3D retail prices haven't moved a dollar since launch.

 

[Thunder 57]

As I mentioned, might be $800 ish at launch, but top of the market in desktop is not going to suddenly be $1600 just because Intel decided to core bomb the part (IMO).

Their main stream CPU's will still be ~$150-$200. Budget? below that.

Prices of a new gen CPU start off inflated (for those who just can't wait).

They've tried before. P4 EE (cough Xeon). I doubt they will this time though.

 

[Thunder 57]

I'm pretty sure 9800X3D retail prices haven't moved a dollar since launch.

Eh $10 on Amazon. But when a CPU is in huge demand you tend not to cut prices.

 

[eek2121]

It'll be better value but I'd expect like $479 or 500 buck for a 12c.

It will likely launch at that price, but guess what? The United States has a recession just perfectly timed for said launch. 🤣

Street prices trend lower anyway.

DIY people buy the biggest gaming stick, and they've also been Pavlov'd into craving the X3D tendies by dr. Lisa Su.

no?

Not all of DIY folks are exclusively into gaming. The volume of 16C/32T parts that AMD moves would shock you if you had access to real data. Depending on the source(s) it is something like 20-40% of their revenue. Downplay that all you like, but if your share price dropped by 20-40%, you'd NOT be happy, even if you bought in lower.

Intel has an OEM advantage, and they spam cores, so people get a bunch of them, even if they don't want to.

The 52C part coming is simply Intel doing what AMD does: adding a second chiplet. It costs little, and yet gives them margin thanks to both OEMs, content creators/developers/etc, and gamer types wanting the best...

...I bet it'll have the highest peak clocks and best gaming performance as well. 🥂

 

[adroc_thurston]

The volume of 16C/32T parts that AMD moves would shock you if you had access to real data.

I have access to real channel data(tm) and the volume for those is tiny.