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Tigerick

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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bLLC doesn't exist. I'm afraid.
If that's true, they are screwed even more.

I just don't see how it cannot exist because they HAVE seen how the world went crazy for 9800X3D. Can't they hurriedly increase the cache size since they have experience with such large caches on their server SKUs?
 

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are we refering that >1.1x slide?
no

it exists
If that's true, they are screwed even more.

I just don't see how it cannot exist because they HAVE seen how the world went crazy for 9800X3D. Can't they hurriedly increase the cache size since they have experience with such large caches on their server SKUs?

well, yeah. I can't provide the source. These wouldn't be reported on any website because source is incognito.

Hint: NVL bLLC's non-existence is just like the SMT's absence in ARL, they're not seen in any Intel's documentation like software optimization guide.
 
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Again, why would it need to be documented? You are not supposed to access caches directly via instructions.

This is not HBM cache.

Unless...

it is?
bruh i meant Product documentation you went too deep into the cache now you are missing the point what a cache miss.
 

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Since NVL-S outnumbers Zen6 by 2:1 in core count for the top SKU, it should be possible to run the former at a bit lower frequency when maxing MT perf and still win in MT.

Squeezing out the last bit of perf by pushing towards max frequency consumes a lot of power. Just dropping the frequency a bit from max reduces power consumption a lot, while not losing much performance. So NVL-S could win in MT while still not consuming huge amounts of power (in relation to the MT perf it delivers). But let’s see how it turns out.
 

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I am having the same vibe as Zen5 vs ARL. Zen 6 is getting Hyped but NVL is meh in the end it will be similarish just like Zen5 vs ARL played out similar ST/MT.
Do you remember how that ended? People were so damn confident ARL had it after Zen 5% that they're still coping by comparing tweaked ARL to untweaked GR. Today Intel is selling 20 cores that cost much more to make than 1CCD GR for $210 here. You know it's "similarish" when retailers have to undercut the competition's part by ~$150 to move inventory.
I would not want a repeat of that.

And if NVL ends up similar to Zen 6 it's even worse than ARL, because this time they're throwing huge amounts of silicon at cache and multi-tile configurations.
 
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gdansk

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Its not, you then do not need new CPU and never will, I do need more MT and some ppl that do real work and not just gaming!

this talking about we do not need more MT speed is like childish at best
What real world, big boy work are you doing that doesn't need to communicate outside of its L2 ghettocluster quickly?
The current monts in desktop parts are configured for one thing and one thing only - chart wankery.
 
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