Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[DrMrLordX]

they won’t be soldered onto to the mobo, it’s part of the SoC. It’s better like that, dGPUs are power hungry and the end game for laptops is using NVIDIA IP in an Intel SoC.

Personally I think we'll see both. There's still a market for mdGPUs and NV can sew it up nicely (especially since AMD may not produce any more mdGPUs from this point forward. We'll see).

It wouldn't be hard but it would be bad for power efficiency and obviously no unified memory. Besides, that's what they are doing since MXM lost its popularity.

For your typical gamer laptop, of which there are many, unified memory isn't much of a boon. It'll be hard for NV to replace 5070-tier products (respective to a given future product stack) with something that's lower power and fully integrated into the SoC.

 

[Magio]

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actually twice as funny given Intel isn't even pretending PTL-H has much of a perf bump over LNL at 28W.

Am I crazy in thinking that's legit good news for 18A, tho?

Near identical CPU cores going from N3B to 18A leads to a significant efficiency gains in ST and MT, meanwhile on the GPU side new arch + wider GPU + going from N3B to N3E is a modest improvement only in terms of efficiency.

 

[Josh128]

No, you don't.

The market OVERWHELMINGLY wants iGPUs not dGPUs. Why are you continuing to beat a dead horse insisting that the "no one wants iGPUs" when that's 1) clearly not true, 2) dGPUs are a niche market, and 3) a shrinking niche at that.

Just had to jump in here. The market wants:

1) Sleek/thin
2) Light
3) Fast
4) Cool
5) Long battery life

Period.

 

[511]

Just had to jump in here. The market wants:

1) Sleek/thin
2) Light
3) Fast
4) Cool
5) Long battery life

Period.

Long battery and cool is only possible without dGPU

 

[poke01]

It depends on the size of the laptop.

13” and below iGPU is needed for efficiency. 14” and 15” users prefer to have an dGPU but a good iGPU like the 12 core would be fine for 1080p low-medium gaming.

16” and up a dGPU is a must, imo.