Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[jpiniero]

Ice Lake didn't even have 4 GHz turbo if I'm not mistaken.

That may have been a design flaw that Intel didn't bother fixing.

 

[SiliconFly]

Those are all gaming or beefy laptops. I hope this is facetious about how piss poor AMD is on mobile laptops 15-35W that the average person might want to use lol. It’s still atrocious honestly especially in the US.

I think those beefy laptops are were the real margins are.

 

[SpudLobby]

I think those beefy laptops are were the real margins are.

For AMD, yep. Sucks but whatever

 

[FlameTail]

Intel 1st Gen Core Ultra 7 185H ~30% Faster than the 13th Gen 13700H, Twice as Power Efficient

Fresh benchmarks of Intel’s upcoming Meteor Lake processors, also known as the 1st Gen Core Ultra family, have leaked out. The Cinebench R20 scores of the Core Ultra 7 185H indicate a focus on multi-threaded performance with largely unchanged single-threaded capabilities. It’s worth noting that...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Twice as power efficient?

 

[SiliconFly]

Twice as power efficient?

It's very much possible under everyday use conditions. Most of the people around the world typically use only browsers or some simple business apps most of the time. And the new MTL design can make a major difference in these cases.

(The cpu & gpu tile will be in a powered down state most of the time with only the LP E cores active.)

 

[Geddagod]

I think those beefy laptops are were the real margins are.

Don't think so. The thin and light laptops are the ones that are getting sold as "premium products" with high prices. And for good reason too, a lot of engineering prob goes into designing laptops that are as small as possible, while also performing well and staying cool.
The only beefy laptops that are being sold as premium products are desktop replacement level laptops, with the highest tier components. The rest of the regular gaming laptops aren't seen that way.

 

[trivik12]

If we suddenly care what MLID says... let's quote him.


Personally I would be far more interested in the absolute attributes of MTL rather than relative positioning versus AMD's product stack. Let's see the massive improvement in battery life, the strong MT improvement due to higher base clocks, let's see the GPU come to life with Intel's mature driver stack, let's see it come together as a well rounded tiled design to justify the price premium. After that we can start looking around for any challenger.

It does not matter when Hawk Point "launches". Question is how fast OEMs launch and how is the general availability. I am skeptical when it comes to latest gen AMD laptops. Its almost impossible to find them. Especially in store.

 

[coercitiv]

It does not matter when Hawk Point "launches".

I'm glad we agree.

 

[SiliconFly]

It does not matter when Hawk Point "launches". Question is how fast OEMs launch and how is the general availability. I am skeptical when it comes to latest gen AMD laptops. Its almost impossible to find them. Especially in store.

Actually, the last couple of years, I've seen more AMD laptops than before. The availability has improved a lot. Even though they have a long way to go, I think they're in a far better position now to compete with Intel in the mobile space. The competition is heating up. Not to be dismissed lightly. I think they're doing fine.

 

[igor_kavinski]

What is the possibility of Intel introducing a Core Ultra 9X Arrow Lake CPU with 256MB HBM3e on-package L4 cache? Would it be profitable for them at the $699 price point?

 

[Mopetar]

What is the possibility of Intel introducing a Core Ultra 9X Arrow Lake CPU with 256MB HBM3e on-package L4 cache? Would it be profitable for them at the $699 price point?

Are you high or are you just trying to baitpost to see if MLID picks this up and talks about sources mentioning a new "high-power" Intel CPU utilizing HBM?

 

[FlameTail]

Are you high or are you just trying to baitpost to see if MLID picks this up and talks about sources mentioning a new "high-power" Intel CPU utilizing HBM?

MLID is on this forum?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Are you high or are you just trying to baitpost to see if MLID picks this up and talks about sources mentioning a new "high-power" Intel CPU utilizing HBM?

The thought occurred to me coz Intel is shipping server CPUs with HBM RAM in gigabytes! Surely, they could put a teensy weensy 256MB HBM cache on a chip and be in a position to beat AMD?

 

[FlameTail]

*Exclusive leak*

Fellow forum members, I have obtained exclusive information that Intel's next generation Arc Broadwell GPUs will use HBM3e memory. With upto 69 GB of capacity and more than 2.9 TB/s bandwidth, the next gen Arc GPUs will obliterate the competition. My second source reports that Nvidia has gotten wind of these going-ons within Intel's GPU division, and reports to me that Nvidia is working on an RTX 5090 Ultra with 128 GB of HBM3N (custom Nvidia) memory with bandwidth exceeding 2.99 TB/s.

/s

 

[DrMrLordX]

With upto 69 GB of capacity

Elon Musk has already ordered 420 units.

 

[dullard]

What is the possibility of Intel introducing a Core Ultra 9X Arrow Lake CPU with 256MB HBM3e on-package L4 cache? Would it be profitable for them at the $699 price point?

I admit that I don't follow HBM3e memory, but isn't the smallest DIMM chip in a stack of HBM3e memory 2 GB (SK Hynix) or 3 GB (Micron)? So not only would 256 MB be far too small for any announced product, but with just one chip would lose any benefit of the 2.5D memory stacks.

 

[mikk]

MSI Core Ultra 100H “Meteor Lake” AI laptop series available for preorder, pricing starts at $1049

MSI Core Ultra 100H "Meteor Lake" AI laptop series available for preorder, pricing starts at $1049 - VideoCardz.com

MSI AI laptop series to feature Intel Meteor Lake Today, some retailer listings, as uncovered by hardware investigator @momomo_us, have confirmed that the upcoming Intel Meteor Lake processor series is set to drive MSI’s AI laptops. These laptops are said to be launched next month. The revealed...

videocardz.com

 

[FlameTail]

We got AI laptops ?

 

[SiliconFly]

We got AI laptops ?

It's above $1000. Gotta be AI laptops.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Look pretty thin. What's the bet? 10 hour battery life?

 

[trivik12]

MSI Core Ultra 100H “Meteor Lake” AI laptop series available for preorder, pricing starts at $1049

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-cor...ble-for-preorder-pricing-starts-at-1049[/URLN

Newegg probably went overboard having the preorder ready so early. They have now taken down the links. I guess Intel does not want anyone getting the laptop before 12/14. Prestige 16 had listed availability as of 12/8 !!

 

[mikk]

In this store there is a MSI Prestige 13 AI Evo with an Ultra 7 155H in stock but might be incorrect.

MSI Prestige 13 AI Evo A1MG-029US - 13.3" QHD+ OLED - Ultra 7 - 155H - Intel Arc - Stellar Gray

MSI Prestige 13 AI Evo A1MG-029US Ultra Thin and Light Professional Laptop - 13.3" QHD+ (2880 x 1800) OLED Display w/ Intel Arc Graphics - Intel Core Ultra 7 - 155H - 1 TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen4 SSD, customizable: 1 x M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen4 SSD - 16 GB LPDDR5-6400MHz onboad RAM - Windows 11 Pro -...

www.hidevolution.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

In this store there is a MSI Prestige 13 AI Evo with an Ultra 7 155H in stock but might be incorrect.

MSI Prestige 13 AI Evo A1MG-029US - 13.3" QHD+ OLED - Ultra 7 - 155H - Intel Arc - Stellar Gray

MSI Prestige 13 AI Evo A1MG-029US Ultra Thin and Light Professional Laptop - 13.3" QHD+ (2880 x 1800) OLED Display w/ Intel Arc Graphics - Intel Core Ultra 7 - 155H - 1 TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen4 SSD, customizable: 1 x M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen4 SSD - 16 GB LPDDR5-6400MHz onboad RAM - Windows 11 Pro -...

www.hidevolution.com

They tryin' to make an early bird profit. I wonder if someone here will buy and benchmark it for the AT community Come on, guys! It's cheaper than Macbook Pro, got 16GB RAM and most importantly, it has Intel's first ever NPU! It will be a collector's item one day!

 

[trivik12]

I think a well done review on youtube could get tons of views. Early bird will get the worm for sure.

 

[igor_kavinski]

So MSI not only finished their homework in advance, they also shipped hardware to retailers!

Come on, Intel! Launch it already. Don't be shy. There's not much worse you can do after Raptor Lake Refresh