Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[aigomorla]

And what does ML remind you of?

Here's a bunch of acronyms, notice a pattern?
SKL
KBL
CFL
CML
RKL
ADL
RPL

Which is why i am asking who comes with these acronyms.

SKL itself is a joke... they only took out 1 letter in SKY for heavens sake.
*goes off kicking the can*

 

[coercitiv]

Which is why i am asking who comes with these acronyms.

As far as I am aware, the community. We can even have 2-3 versions running around until one wins the popularity contest.

 

[poke01]

atl?

atlantis lake?

fixed. lol

 

[eek2121]

Intel first needs to get their CPUs in order. With Arrow Lake and Panther Lake the outcome will be seen. They need income rolling in and then they can start expanding again to other areas.

Raptor Lake Refresh is sure to contain a few “surprises“. (some unwelcome: higher power consumption, for starters, if a recent rumor is correct)

Meteor Lake is going to be an interesting part to watch. That is where Intel begins to get their ducks in a row, so to speak.

 

[mikk]

They have added Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake into the Programming Reference.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675254347515478017

Direct link:

https://cdrdv2-public.intel.com/782879/architecture-instruction-set-extensions-programming-reference.pdf

 

[Kepler_L2]

They have added Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake into the Programming Reference.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675254347515478017

Oh great, I'll wait until tomorrow when Elon will let me view this tweet.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Oh great, I'll wait until tomorrow when Elon will let me view this tweet.

Why wait?

 

[Ajay]

Isn't this a thread for consumer products? That's what ARL and MTL will be.

Intel can upscale the tech if they can get these products out as expected.

Yes, just a little digression, sort Of a tradition around here. Sorry if I was a bit harsh.

 

[SpudLobby]

What do we know about Lunar Lake?

Apparently it will be on N3 - well, reasonably speaking given it won't be on an Intel process which leaves N3 in that timeframe.

There is a rumor it's a 4+4 chip? This might make sense if part of the goal is for a more affordable SoC with lower power and leakage overhead to compete with Apple or Qualcomm in ultramobile parts.

Will it be monolithic or with fewer tiles? Etc.

 

[eek2121]

What do we know about Lunar Lake?

Apparently it will be on N3 - well, reasonably speaking given it won't be on an Intel process which leaves N3 in that timeframe.

Says who?

 

[Exist50]

There is a rumor it's a 4+4 chip? This might make sense if part of the goal is for a more affordable SoC with lower power and leakage overhead to compete with Apple or Qualcomm in ultramobile parts.

4+4, yes. Affordable, definitely not. I bet we see very few devices with Lunar Lake, though I hope I'm wrong on that.

Will it be monolithic or with fewer tiles? Etc.

Seems to be almost monolithic, and a similar split to ADL. One main tile with CPU, GPU, AI, etc., and another with mostly IO. But on a Foveros base die.

 

[H433x0n]

What do we know about Lunar Lake?

Apparently it will be on N3 - well, reasonably speaking given it won't be on an Intel process which leaves N3 in that timeframe.

There is a rumor it's a 4+4 chip? This might make sense if part of the goal is for a more affordable SoC with lower power and leakage overhead to compete with Apple or Qualcomm in ultramobile parts.

Will it be monolithic or with fewer tiles? Etc.

I don’t think Lunar Lake was ever rumored to be on N3. Unless you’re saying that 18 months from now you still think Intel will be stuck on the Intel 7 node.

 

[Exist50]

I don’t think Lunar Lake was ever rumored to be on N3

It is.

 

[poke01]

I don’t think Lunar Lake was ever rumored to be on N3. Unless you’re saying that 18 months from now you still think Intel will be stuck on the Intel 7 node.

you can't have perf per watt leadership with Intel 7 node.

 

[SpudLobby]

I don’t think Lunar Lake was ever rumored to be on N3. Unless you’re saying that 18 months from now you still think Intel will be stuck on the Intel 7 node.

Lol

Man you have to keep up. Way too much faith in Intel as if they're throwing everything on their own processes.

 

[SpudLobby]

It is.

Yup. For better or worse, I'm not at all saying they'll be stuck on Intel 7, for whatever that says about 4/3 and 18/20A.

 

[SpudLobby]

4+4, yes. Affordable, definitely not. I bet we see very few devices with Lunar Lake, though I hope I'm wrong on that.

Seems to be almost monolithic, and a similar split to ADL. One main tile with CPU, GPU, AI, etc., and another with mostly IO. But on a Foveros base die.

Yeah, affordable was the wrong phrasing in context of the PC market.

But when you look at Phoenix laptops so far it's not like there's a premium on Apple, I suppose my presumption is that with the die size rumored and denser libraries, a smaller GPU it probably won't be as costly as a larger one might be, granted it's on N3, so. Affordable is really in context of Intel's more expensive (likely IMO) Arrow Lake et. al.

 

[SpudLobby]

Says who?

Widely rumored by now

 

[msj10]

ARL and LNL don’t have hyperthreading?

 

[igor_kavinski]

No SMT on LNL makes sense coz it's an ultra low power core.

ARL lacking SMT doesn't seem plausible.

 

[SpudLobby]

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ARL and LNL don’t have hyperthreading?

Oh hell yeah

 

[Exist50]

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ARL and LNL don’t have hyperthreading?

@TESKATLIPOKA, remember how I said there was a detail that would throw off your LNL projections. Well feel like recalculating without SMT ?

 

[Exist50]

No SMT on LNL makes sense coz it's an ultra low power core.

ARL lacking SMT doesn't seem plausible.

It's inherent to Lion Cove, for better or worse. ARL will have the same restrictions as Lunar Lake.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's inherent to Lion Cove, for better or worse. ARL will have the same restrictions as Lunar Lake.

Guess it means fewer side-channel vulnerabilities. Also less heat generation. And less cache contention. Why pretend to have virtual cores when you can have plentiful E-cores. Interesting move. Is AMD gonna do the same?

 

[A///]

I still want to know what the hell atl is. Atlantis Lake?