Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[dttprofessor]

Not everyone have known LNL is the best CPU for thin laptop, MT is nothing for thin laptop.

 

[511]

ARL/MTL Bain of existence the SOC architecture

 

[511]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1878864913772499151

 

[Markfw]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1878864913772499151

Oh, WOW, now you can kill Intel CPUs with Intel software !

 

[poke01]

More tests. Seems the ARL-H laptop is running at a much higher TDP than the rest in these tests (based on R23 nT score).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1878568819842859222

This is not impressive. ARL-H is meh. Please wait for PTL and if that sucks just move to AMD/NV/Qualcomm. /s

But seriously PTL-H has to be good, late 2025/2026 will have lots of laptop sillicon vendors competing.

 

[adroc_thurston]

But seriously PTL-H has to be good

The iGP is. Rest, uh.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Oh, WOW, now you can kill Intel CPUs with Intel software !

Pretty sure you could always do that with XTU. IPO seems aimed at system integrators. Which surprises me.

 

[511]

The iGP is. Rest, uh.

The media engines and Darkmont as well the only thing worse is Cougar Cove

 

[adroc_thurston]

The media engines and Darkmont as well the only thing worse is Cougar Cove

Darkmont is omega nothingburger.

 

[DavidC1]

The media engines and Darkmont as well the only thing worse is Cougar Cove

Darkmont is a very small gain, just like Crestmont was. Cougar Cove is going to be better relative than Lion Cove, as the gains are almost as much.

 

[coercitiv]

Pretty sure you could always do that with XTU. IPO seems aimed at system integrators. Which surprises me.

So they're trying to keep system integrators from switching to AMD en masse. It looks weird for us, but makes perfect sense from their perspective.

 

[511]

Darkmont is a very small gain, just like Crestmont was. Cougar Cove is going to be better relative than Lion Cove, as the gains are almost as much.

I disagree for the form factor Darkmont is better if it was in Desktop yes but they will be lackluster

 

[DrMrLordX]

So they're trying to keep system integrators from switching to AMD en masse. It looks weird for us, but makes perfect sense from their perspective.

After the Raptor Lake fiasco, would any sane system integrator accept an "optimization" tool from Intel? When it just overclocks things?

 

[DavidC1]

This is not impressive. ARL-H is meh. Please wait for PTL and if that sucks just move to AMD/NV/Qualcomm. /s

But seriously PTL-H has to be good, late 2025/2026 will have lots of laptop sillicon vendors competing.

What's wrong with people? Nvidia and Intel both straight up lying. Nvidia talking literal copies of frames as a "new tech" and says 5070 = 4090 while Intel claims ARL-H beats everything hiding that it uses much more power to do so. It means there are literally hundreds and even thousands of people complicit in being straight up lies.

At peak power ARL-H takes more than twice the power as AMD for basically the same performance.

I don't like Robert Hallock either. He pretty much lied regarding ARL firmware. It does nothing, as expected. Probably he was Chief of Liars at AMD too.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I don't like Robert Hallock either.

I feel sorry for the guy. He has the exact same job now that he had at AMD. Making up excuses for the engineers' shortcomings. He obviously must not like it because he doesn't seem like the boisterous type who takes pride in lying through his teeth but has to because that's what he signed up for and it pays enough that he can't think of starting from scratch doing something else.

 

[DavidC1]

I feel sorry for the guy. He has the exact same job now that he had at AMD. Making up excuses for the engineers' shortcomings.

I don't feel sorry for him. Not at all. If you are in a top position, you are responsible for many more things.

And the shortcoming you are talking about is because Intel is such a disjointed company that even Gelsinger wasn't able to fix. Actually, he was responsible for the modern Intel marketing nonsense.

To think I was inspired to go into electronics thanks to Intel. It boggles my mind.

 

[coercitiv]

After the Raptor Lake fiasco, would any sane system integrator accept an "optimization" tool from Intel? When it just overclocks things?

Yes, they need to learn the lesson twice.

What's wrong with people? Nvidia and Intel both straight up lying.

This is the new meta. It's derived straight from politics (and this will be my only reference of that) and will not stop until it becomes very very painful at societal level, not just in some isolated country but everywhere.

Every tech company I interact with is getting acquainted with the taste of lying. It's so alluring when it costs them nothing.

 

[dttprofessor]

What's wrong with people? Nvidia and Intel both straight up lying. Nvidia talking literal copies of frames as a "new tech" and says 5070 = 4090 while Intel claims ARL-H beats everything hiding that it uses much more power to do so. It means there are literally hundreds and even thousands of people complicit in being straight up lies.

At peak power ARL-H takes more than twice the power as AMD for basically the same performance.

I don't like Robert Hallock either. He pretty much lied regarding ARL firmware. It does nothing, as expected. Probably he was Chief of Liars at AMD too.

lnl has more mt?
9800x3d has more mt?

 

[DavidC1]

This is the new meta. It's derived straight from politics (and this will be my only reference of that) and will not stop until it becomes very very painful at societal level, not just in some isolated country but everywhere.

Politics or not it's just lying. And people just accept it. Yes it's the new "meta" the new "I don't have a problem with that".

There will be an end to this, because foundation built on lies will fail. Just a matter of time. The whole system is corrupt from top(leaders) to bottom(average people).

 

[SiliconFly]

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[511]

To think I was inspired to go into electronics thanks to Intel. It boggles my mind.

Same it will never be the same Intel that once was just taken over by bunch of bean counters

 

[SiliconFly]

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[igor_kavinski]

The whole system is corrupt from top(leaders) to bottom(average people).

That's very true. I hate it every time I say something obvious and true in meetings and people go silent like "Dude, do you really have to say that? We know but no one here wants to admit it!".

 

[igor_kavinski]

Don't worry. More bean counters are coming in to finish what Bob Swan started.

We should've a new CEO in six months! Someone here said the external firm they hired for the search won't get paid otherwise.

 

[511]

We should've a new CEO in six months! Someone here said the external firm they hired for the search won't get paid otherwise.

they better find a good one probably some Hardworking Taiwanese CEO or someone who is capable and have technical expertise