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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15W?Intel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz?5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 W ?17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth136 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz?2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.018 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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OC3D removed the review.
I'm still in hard disbelief. That cannot be that bad, maybe power mode (balanced/perf/etc...) and early BIOS ?

I mean, it looks good compared to i9 11900k, but haven't they heard about that alien technology called 5800x3d ? Shouldn't have they aimed for that level of performance and power usage ?
 

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ARL gaming is bad🤣I hope intel can make lag caches cpu ASAP. Otherwise will lose the market completely!
 

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Wow... Even if games are scheduled incorrectly on the Skymont cores it should be better than that, right?

I guess we'll find out more tomorrow.
Factorio was by far the worst of the 5 or 6 games reviewed, for the rest it's in around Zen3 x3d or alder lake performance.
 

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Wow... Even if games are scheduled incorrectly on the Skymont cores it should be better than that, right?

I guess we'll find out more tomorrow.
It's an E core... Why would it be faster than P core CPUs? It's clocked lower, has slower caches and gets the same slow memory
 

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Factorio was by far the worst of the 5 or 6 games reviewed, for the rest it's in around Zen3 x3d or alder lake performance.
So ~around Zen 4 vanilla? Interesting that Intel have run up into the same gaming bottlenecks now that AMD have been fighting since Zen 3.
 
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I didn't have time to take any screenshots BUT

Here's what I wrote because I thought notes were needed :)

265K best in latency if going for Arrow Lake
13700K beats 265K in Blender 4K
CB R20 R23 R24 <<< 265K beats 14700K
Dolphin 5.0 13700K beats 285K (!!!)
i5-12400 DEMOLISHES 285K in Factorio!!!
Far Cry 6 13600K kicks 285K to the curb
285K falters massively in Guardians of Galaxy minimum fps and consequently humiliated by 5800X3D
13600K punches 285K in the nose in The Riftbreaker before the 285K has time to get up
13600K looks down at 285K in Total War Warhammer III and says "Learn your place, boy".
9700X asks 245K, "Why so SWEATY???"
9950X looks at 285K gulping down on power in OCCT and asks with disbelief, "What are you doing with that power despite being on N3B???"
 

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Videocardz had the review leaks, but removed them too :D
I hope it was a pre-review and numbers are better tomorrow.
Else it makes Zen 5's gains (for desktop PC usage) and marketing (compared to what it actually brought) the best thing ever.
 

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Anybody saved some other info? I should have something in the edge cache, but I do not know how to view it.
 

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Seems like a pretty rushed/bad review
Many strange things in there

Why is the 5800x3d faster than the 7800x3d?
Why is the 14700K faster than the 14900KS?

Lots of minimum numbers also dont make sense...
Also the power doesn't look right to me. The Intel profile is 250/250W. The numbers seem to be measured for total system power but then it wouldnt make sense how the 285K draws 265W more than a 12400 that probably does ~60W under load. That would mean they had ~320-330W under load for the 285K

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