Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Tigerick

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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Joe NYC

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Would be interesting to compare latencies of Lunarlake, Arrowlake and Meteorlake. If Arrowlake looks like MTL, then....

I was trying to warn people, but did not want to push it on Intel thread.

Lunar Lake vs. Meteor Lake -> 1x latency improvement
Arrow Lake vs. Raptor Lake -> 1x latency deterioration

So, any conclusions about Arrow Lake based on Lunar Lake performance improvements were going to lead to a big disappointment.
 
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9% over Raptor Cove means the IMC outside of the compute tile hurts, it was the same on Meteor Lake. It cost them 5% IPC in Geekbench for example. 9% over Raptor Cove when Skymont on Ringbus is 2% over Raptor Cove.....Lion Cove IPC only 7% over Skymont? Ouch this hurts given that the Cove is almost 3x as big. Intel Israel seems finished.
 

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How I wrote the only thing that makes sense is that the performance in Intel presentation is with 177W default power limit.

250W power limit will bring at least single digit % improvement in performance and 285K will beat 9950X or be at least comparable with it. Is there anything wrong about that???
 

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How I wrote the only thing that makes sense is that the performance in Intel presentation is with 177W default power limit.

250W power limit will bring at least single digit % improvement in performance and 285K will beat 9950X or be at least comparable with it. Is there anything wrong about that???
false statement. If you are running anything avx-512, not true at all.
 

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SolidQ

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Ouch:

"You should still expect top ARL to beat Raptor Lake by 30-40% in Single Threading, and 40%+ in Multi Threading"
at least there is show light blue "not very confident info" I won't complain about it. If there were blue there, then yes.
 
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Josh128

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btw i find it really deafening there aint a single word about this leak over at wccftech.. wanted to check the breakdown in the comments section
guess some PR money found its way over there 😅
You have to look at the thread below. I already threw a few jabs, but I dont want to be the cause of any suicides before a proper article is posted. :laughing::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy: