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Tigerick

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15W?Intel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+4+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz?5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 W ?17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth136 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz?2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.018 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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MoogleW said:
Would be interesting to compare latencies of Lunarlake, Arrowlake and Meteorlake. If Arrowlake looks like MTL, then....
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I was trying to warn people, but did not want to push it on Intel thread.

Lunar Lake vs. Meteor Lake -> 1x latency improvement
Arrow Lake vs. Raptor Lake -> 1x latency deterioration

So, any conclusions about Arrow Lake based on Lunar Lake performance improvements were going to lead to a big disappointment.
 
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9% over Raptor Cove means the IMC outside of the compute tile hurts, it was the same on Meteor Lake. It cost them 5% IPC in Geekbench for example. 9% over Raptor Cove when Skymont on Ringbus is 2% over Raptor Cove.....Lion Cove IPC only 7% over Skymont? Ouch this hurts given that the Cove is almost 3x as big. Intel Israel seems finished.
 
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How I wrote the only thing that makes sense is that the performance in Intel presentation is with 177W default power limit.

250W power limit will bring at least single digit % improvement in performance and 285K will beat 9950X or be at least comparable with it. Is there anything wrong about that???
 
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Kocicak said:
How I wrote the only thing that makes sense is that the performance in Intel presentation is with 177W default power limit.

250W power limit will bring at least single digit % improvement in performance and 285K will beat 9950X or be at least comparable with it. Is there anything wrong about that???
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false statement. If you are running anything avx-512, not true at all.
 
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Joe NYC said:
Ouch:

"You should still expect top ARL to beat Raptor Lake by 30-40% in Single Threading, and 40%+ in Multi Threading"
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at least there is show light blue "not very confident info" I won't complain about it. If there were blue there, then yes.
 
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Det0x said:
btw i find it really deafening there aint a single word about this leak over at wccftech.. wanted to check the breakdown in the comments section
guess some PR money found its way over there 😅
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You have to look at the thread below. I already threw a few jabs, but I dont want to be the cause of any suicides before a proper article is posted. :laughing::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:

wccftech.com

NVIDIA CEO, Jensen Huang, To Deliver CES 2025 Keynote on 6th January: Next-Gen GPU Announcements Imminent

NVIDIA has confirmed that CEO, Jensen Huang, will be delivering the CES 2025 keynote on the 6th of January.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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