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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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Hitman928

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Can I have ARL this Christmas?
No, we have ARL performance at home.

They better have a bug the size of Jupiter in that firmware.

Factorio isn't representative of most games, but there are several other fairly popular games that usually correlate with it though the magnitude isn't as severe. Games like MS flight simulator and the F1 racing games.
 

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Factorio isn't representative of most games, but there are several other fairly popular games that usually correlate with it though the magnitude isn't as severe. Games like MS flight simulator and the F1 racing games.
I wasn't joking about Factorio, was looking at other slides on Xitter.
 

exquisitechar

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Some of these numbers definitely look borked, but I’m prepared for gaming performance to be bad based on Intel’s own benchmarks and leaks/rumors about the memory latency and ring clock.
 
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Hitman928

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My theory is it is scheduling on the wrong core type. And maybe also not clocking appropriately...

Wrong core type is my guess as well, even then, it seems pretty poor.

I wasn't joking about Factorio, was looking at other slides on Xitter.

Gotcha. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of performance to gain with some platform maturity, but I wouldn't expect anything major outside of maybe things like Factorio where it's way, way behind.
 

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Kocicak

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I can imagine no reason why the new CPUs should be slower in gaming than 13600K.

If the software and microcode is really so broken at the moment, Intel may postpone the release of the CPUs and reviews.

I preordered 265K with Tomahawk board, now I have no mood to pick them up tomorrow anyway.
 

AcrosTinus

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Umm...Geforce requires a faster CPU because their drivers have more overhead. This just shows that the 265K is crumbling under the 4080's driver overhead.
Maybe... I would extrapolate more if both were tested under controlled conditions with both GPUs.
This reeks of a negative media campaign close before launch.
 

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They included AI in CHIPS it didn't change stock price di you think Gaming will?
 

AcrosTinus

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Here 7800X3D with slower GPU.

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You don't know the conditions the numbers for Intel were generated under, just wait for the embargo to lift in some hours.

Never trust a set of numbers revealed with no context or metadata on the conditions of the testbench...
 

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If the software and microcode is really so broken at the moment, Intel may postpone the release of the CPUs and reviews.

I preordered 265K with Tomahawk board, now I have no mood to pick them up tomorrow anyway.
They really should in my opinion, software/firmware clearly not ready, ontop of this being a paper launch with pretty much no stock in EU
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Kocicak

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They really should in my opinion, software/firmware clearly not ready, ontop of this being a papir launch with pretty much no stock in EU
Our largest retailer seems to have 265K in stock, only this one CPU of the five.