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Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15WIntel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7 360Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz4.8 GHz5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB6 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 - 35 W17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5x-7467128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB48 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth83 GB/s60 GB/s136 GB/s120 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz2.6 GHz2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.017 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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Everytime I time I read Lunar Lake, I think of the Lunar Lander game I played long ago. I often crashed my lander.
Anything Lunar reminds me of the game Moon Patrol. It was one of my childhood's desires to play that game a lot. Unfortunately, it loaded exactly one time on my Atari. Then one stupid kid dropped my cassette recorder on the carpet from at least 3 feet and it never could load a game ever again. *sniff* *sniff*
 
Let's play a game, I'm the golden trickster fish and you're Pat Lucky. You found me while fishing, and you get one wish to save Intel from the ones below:
  • Intel gets best SoC of 2025 with Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake wins vs. Zen 5 in performance and efficiency (ARL refresh included)
  • Intel matches or beats TSMC with their fifth node in 4 years, and is set to win foundry contracts for short and mid term
Why am I the trickster golden fish, you ask? Because when you pick one, the other is automatically excluded. In a way this matches reality, it would take a miracle for both of the above to happen at the same time. So which one do you pick to save Intel? 🐡
I would pick process technology as this has been an issue for 10 years now. Catching up would be a huge achievement. Intel has less trouble with architecture it seems.
 
I would pick process technology as this has been an issue for 10 years now. Catching up would be a huge achievement. Intel has less trouble with architecture it seems.
We will see. ARL is on arguably at least an equal node to Zen 5, even if Intel, "the supposed foundry company," didn't manufacture it themselves. Lets see how the power usage compares; I bet AMD will still be considerably more efficient. Of course the comparison will be complicated by the fact that ARL uses E cores and doesn't have HT.
 

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..
Such chips are focused on perf/w, can't gain much unless intel jumps nodes. For example, M2 and M4 don't have a lot of perf/w improvements compared to M1 and M3 respectively, because they used the same node family. So I think it's fine to wait 3 years between updates. Now if LNL doesn't have a successor at all, that's another story
 

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..
I think OEMs had an afterthought due to PMIC Cost OEMs love to cheap out apple doesn't cheap out cause they can extort the prices OEMs can't do that so maybe there is that also i bet some OEM don't like to pay the price for memory in LNL to Intel
 
Such chips are focused on perf/w, can't gain much unless intel jumps nodes. For example, M2 and M4 don't have a lot of perf/w improvements compared to M1 and M3 respectively, because they used the same node family. So I think it's fine to wait 3 years between updates. Now if LNL doesn't have a successor at all, that's another story
I'm just hoping thats the case and a successor comes in 2027. There's a reason why Dell still had LNL in 2026 as an option for the preimum mobile SKU.
 
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