Intel Iris Pro 6200 is something else

[AtenRa]

I am not sure I agree.

This is priced about the same as buying an existing i3 ($120) + GTX 750 ($100) but only uses about 1/2 the total power.

And significantly slower than the Core i3 + GTX750 in 1080p.

A lot of arguments against the current AMD APU lineup was exactly this. Spend a little more and get comparable (or better GPU performance) with considerable better thermals and consistent CPU performance. Also, Intel has a lot more choices, and often deals, for MBs. This pricing gives another alternative, but this time you also get a true 4C part. It is truly a viable to option to purchase for light gaming, and you don't have regrets with adding a GPU later, as you do with a APU.

First of all, Broadwell is only compatible with expensive H97 and Z97 boards. You cannot install Broadwell to H81/B85 boards.

Secondly, A10-7850K + R7 250 DDR3 in Hybrid CrossFire setup at total of $200 is faster than Broadwell HD6200 at 1080p.

Thirdly, you can use any dGPU with the APUs and you will not miss a lot of performance unless you are aiming for GTX980 and higher.

 

[exar333]

And significantly slower than the Core i3 + GTX750 in 1080p.



First of all, Broadwell is only compatible with expensive H97 and Z97 boards. You cannot install Broadwell to H81/B85 boards.

Secondly, A10-7850K + R7 250 DDR3 in Hybrid CrossFire setup at total of $200 is faster than Broadwell HD6200 at 1080p.

Thirdly, you can use any dGPU with the APUs and you will not miss a lot of performance unless you are aiming for GTX980 and higher.

$60 is expensive? H97/Z97 are comparable with APU MB choices, in much more plentiful options and more sales. MC gives these away for free if you get a CPU there....

A 4C i5/i7 is just so much better than any APU. Again, if you need more grunt you can get ANY GPU and not be limited.

Not saying the APUs are 'bad' but they really only work if you need 'just a little bit' more than what a standard iGPU provides, but not 'as much' as a decent $200 discrete provides. Iris Pro gives you almost as good GPU as an APU without any CPU compromises. That is worth a premium to many.

Also, you have the added flexibility of using the same socket at all other desktop CPUs. You can throw in a K-model in there, etc. without needing a new board. That's a big plus too.

 

[boozzer]

Skylake will have a new (gen9) GPU, plus it will have up to 72EUs vs Broadwells 48. So Skylake should be considerable faster.

wow, if scaling holds true, I am 100% sure I would be getting a skylake in my laptop, medium settings in 1080p would 100% be playable. that is pretty sick.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

dGPU works for SFF and laptop. Not so much on the desktop and definitely not at the prices intel is asking. Yawn. Wake me up when they've got a low watt $100.- dual core/ht with iris 6200

 

[MrTeal]

This Intel Comparison is absolutely stupid for desktops. Someone shopping for a gaming laptop or desktop will be better off buying a discrete GPU. Any 6-8 core FX series or an i3 paired with a $125 R9 270X or a $150 R9 280 will lay waste to any Skylake APU.

Pascal and AMD's 14nm chips should increase performance 70%+ at minimum and once Intel runs into a memory bandwidth bottleneck, they will need HBM or something.

There's not much point to Iris Pro in the desktop marketplace. It is much more interesting mobile or AIO space though. Pascal/AMD 14nm x70m or Mx90X will be faster, but they're also a two chip solution and who knows in 2016 when they'll be available.
For a laptop like the Asus UX501 where in the end you are thermally limited and price isn't a huge factor, a high end Skylake Iris Pro part might offer a better experience than the discrete 960M.

 

[MisterLilBig]

First of all, Broadwell is only compatible with expensive H97 and Z97 boards.

And if you want "CPU Overclocking", that's only on the Z97 boards.


On topic, I would not spend so much money on 4 threads. If I were to buy something today, I wouldn't not even think about the i5 at that price.

I'll wait for more 1080p reviews to have a better opinion on Iris Pro, looks pretty good so far, tho the games and settings used are quite obviously tuned to make it look at it's best.

And, wasn't MSAA "free" for Intel? At least a few levels? I remember seeing that somewhere.


(Integrated graphics will win, it is only a matter of time really. Remember, biology/eyes have limits.)

 

[LTC8K6]

And if you want "CPU Overclocking", that's only on the Z97 boards.


On topic, I would not spend so much money on 4 threads. If I were to buy something today, I wouldn't not even think about the i5 at that price.

I'll wait for more 1080p reviews to have a better opinion on Iris Pro, looks pretty good so far, tho the games and settings used are quite obviously tuned to make it look at it's best.

And, wasn't MSAA "free" for Intel? At least a few levels? I remember seeing that somewhere.


(Integrated graphics will win, it is only a matter of time really. Remember, biology/eyes have limits.)

I overclock with a B85 board...

 

[zlatan]

Is 72EU Skylake confirmed? I'm sure I heard the same rumours about Broadwell, but they didn't pan out.

Probably not confirmed, but the GT4 design has nine subslice. If the ALU:Tex ratio won't change (and why would it) than GT4 will have 72 EUs.

But this is not critical. Gen8 is very underutilized in D3D12 even with the GT2 configuration, so there should be some more robust change.

 

[sm625]

The problem is they are charging $120 to $200+ for half a die's worth of GPU transistors. It is getting to the point where so much money is wasted on useless GPU transistors that at some point people will have to seek an alternative. Every single notebook that uses one of these chips plus a nvidia discrete is going to be getting outright ripped off by intel for at least $120.

 

[MisterLilBig]

I overclock with a B85 board...

Look at the "Intel 9th Series Chipsets" slide here : http://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5765c/2

That's where I got my info from.

 

[IEC]

this is it guys !

dual core broadwell cpu with full Iris pro 6200 for laptops :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-5350H-Notebook-Processor.143888.0.html

my dream come true. Or am i wrong ?

Need bigger dreams

 

[Azix]

The slow update from 28nm is really biting AMD. Intel is running 14nm so now their integrated can look good.

Intel wins. The price is ridiculous but its beneficial as a temp GPU. And it would be useful for more expensive systems that need higher CPU power and some lvl of decent GPU support. AMD lacking on the CPU performance in their APUs is also very bad. Even if the GPU is good, they need a good CPU to really tackle their market.

Their decision to go hardcore APU was untimely. The market there is strange. Who is it for? A single CPU plus a cheap GPU would likely beat any APU setup for desktop. Office computers don't need weak CPUs with good GPUs so they will go intel. So laptops? But the power consumption is too high to work well there and now intel has that market even more with broadwell. For laptops if they focused on higher performing lower power CPUs and low power GPUs, intel would be easier to challenge. Now they've lost laptops, and the desktop APU market is odd at best. If the intention is a gaming PC for under $150-$200 then valiant effort but meh. Should have focused on traditional CPUs and GPUs with maybe a ok GPU on the CPU to allow it to be used without discrete GPU. iGPUs on the motherboard would work fine as well.

Maybe HBM will be the difference for their APUs, but intel can use that as well and ditch the edram. Next year might be the perfect time for them to have started focusing on APUs with 8GB or more HBM2 shipping with each GPU. Might not even need to buy RAM. Even this year with HBM1

 

[exar333]

The problem is they are charging $120 to $200+ for half a die's worth of GPU transistors. It is getting to the point where so much money is wasted on useless GPU transistors that at some point people will have to seek an alternative. Every single notebook that uses one of these chips plus a nvidia discrete is going to be getting outright ripped off by intel for at least $120.

Buy a LGA2011-2 CPU.

You get 2 more cores for roughly the same price as a 4C/8T LGA1150, and ditch the iGPU.

 

[MrTeal]

The slow update from 28nm is really biting AMD. Intel is running 14nm so now their integrated can look good.

Intel wins. The price is ridiculous but its beneficial as a temp GPU. And it would be useful for more expensive systems that need higher CPU power and some lvl of decent GPU support. AMD lacking on the CPU performance in their APUs is very bad. Even if the GPU is good, they need a good CPU to really tackle their market.

Why is the price ridiculous? When Haswell was introduced the price of an i7-4770k was $339 and the i5-4670k was $242. The Iris Pro parts are a $27 and $34 premium over the comparable Haswell parts which isn't nothing, but it's also not even 10% in the case of the i7. The only problem with this processor is the low stock clocks, but we'll have to see what the overclocking headroom looks like once those reviews start coming in. If you can hit similar frequencies to an i7-4790k, there's not a whole lot of reason to buy that vs an i7-5775C.

 

[zlatan]

The problem is they are charging $120 to $200+ for half a die's worth of GPU transistors. It is getting to the point where so much money is wasted on useless GPU transistors that at some point people will have to seek an alternative. Every single notebook that uses one of these chips plus a nvidia discrete is going to be getting outright ripped off by intel for at least $120.

And do you think you won't use the iGPU for gaming? Probably you didn't heard about the heterogeneous multiadapter feature.

 

[Azix]

Why is the price ridiculous? When Haswell was introduced the price of an i7-4770k was $339 and the i5-4670k was $242. The Iris Pro parts are a $27 and $34 premium over the comparable Haswell parts which isn't nothing, but it's also not even 10% in the case of the i7. The only problem with this processor is the low stock clocks, but we'll have to see what the overclocking headroom looks like once those reviews start coming in. If you can hit similar frequencies to an i7-4790k, there's not a whole lot of reason to buy that vs an i7-5775C.

for a market that might need APUs.

I don't really know honestly. Who it's for. I know its beneficial to have a backup GPU on your CPU and if you are waiting a long time better performance is better, but at that price you aren't buy for the GPU. But then I think lower cost CPUs with similar performance don't really exist so you have to buy one of these for that CPU performance anyway. Make saying pairing a cheaper CPU that performs well with better performing GPU is a better choice not something meaningful.

For laptops it makes more sense, but the same could be said. we used to look for discrete laptop GPUs and still would. So what do we need an expensive CPU for that could be cheaper or faster without the GPU? It's not a product class that's easy to understand or justify.

AMD putting out questionable performance in a strange market is doubly bad.

 

[tviceman]

750 level of performance!!! wow. this could very well be what I am looking for in a new laptop.

Q: is skylake going to have the same gpu parts?

No it's still about 33-50% slower than the 750 / 750 TI, or if you look at it from the perspective of the 750 TI, the 750 TI is 50-75% faster.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Intel fab advantage is showing

Prices are a bit steep but i bet it won't have any throttle issues

 

[dark zero]

When Intel uses HBM, Pascal and Artic Islands will be DOA. Intel won. Everyone else lost.

Not joking, Intel only needs HBM to get their memory problems solved. They already have a decent GPU.

AMD had good GPU, but mediocre CPU, once their graphics are useless, they are useless...

nVIDIA had excellent graphics, but if Intel starts to nerf them hard, is eaqual to nothing.

Seems that the current x86 era is about to end in the generation after Canon Lake

 

[tential]

When Intel uses HBM, Pascal and Artic Islands will be DOA. Intel won. Everyone else lost.

Not joking, Intel only needs HBM to get their memory problems solved. They already have a decent GPU.

AMD had good GPU, but mediocre CPU, once their graphics are useless, they are useless...

nVIDIA had excellent graphics, but if Intel starts to nerf them hard, is eaqual to nothing.

Seems that the current x86 era is about to end in the generation after Canon Lake

Alright, if you think it will happen fine. I want to see your put option against nvidia and amd then.

 

[el etro]

With this huge node advantage, is impossible to AMD or even Nvidia compete with BDW+Cristalwell graphics efficiency.

 

[therealnickdanger]

If anything, just for the sake of AMD's feelings, I hope the Fiji launch goes really well. I did not expect Intel to blow past AMD's APU like this. Even if it is $100-200 more, I honestly never thought I would see Intel's IGP perform this well. That said, I see no point in buying one of these for a dGPU desktop or dGPU notebook. I don't see any reason for these chips outside NUCs or ultrabooks.

 

[SPBHM]

only one game with low settings is not enough to make any conclusions, but yes, it looks promising, and I look forward for OC results...

this IGP could be a good alternative to $100 cards, which is impressive
but we need better tests, a 750 can play witcher 3 with medium settings at 1080P 30FPS, can the 6200 do the same?

or is it just a benchmark king for low details and a few games?

 

[freeskier93]

When Intel uses HBM, Pascal and Artic Islands will be DOA. Intel won. Everyone else lost.

Not joking, Intel only needs HBM to get their memory problems solved. They already have a decent GPU.

AMD had good GPU, but mediocre CPU, once their graphics are useless, they are useless...

nVIDIA had excellent graphics, but if Intel starts to nerf them hard, is eaqual to nothing.

Seems that the current x86 era is about to end in the generation after Canon Lake

Except for the part where Pascal will also be using HBM and Arctic Island will be AMD's second iteration of HBM. Oh, and both Nvidia and AMD will be moving to smaller node process. Given AMD and Nvidia have quite a bit more experience in the graphics department then Intel, they don't have anything to worry about.

If Zen is any good then AMD will be back in the game with their APUs and will no doubt be using HBM. Don't forget AMD is partners with Hynix and has exclusivity with HBM, that's why Nvidia can't use it this year.

 

[AtenRa]

this IGP could be a good alternative to $100 cards,

Dont think so, performance is like 250X at low res/settings.

Currently $90-100 gets you R7 260X or GTX750