Intel Iris Pro 6200 is something else

[Enigmoid]

Worth remembering that they're still not really trying Far from flat out with GPU > CPU anyway.

Toms reckons IP6200's power draw to be 10-12w. They could easily enough double that (or more) and have a viable product.

Skylake isn't due to go that far, but the big increase in Skylake is due to come from a model which has rather more iGPU on it than these Broadwell things do, so >20% should be relatively easy.

Its much higher than 10-12W. Probably double that.

 

[coercitiv]

Intel LOWERED the price of Haswell Iris Pro to be a $56 adder.

And you have a problem with that? They asked for $90, OEMs said No. Now they ask for $60, OEMs can still say No if the product isn't worthy.

Iris Pro 6200 looks better because they refuse to compare with Iris Pro 5200 parts, which are direct replacements. 20%. Whoopee-doo.

From the Intel GFX Driver release notes:

On the mobile Core i7 Processor with Intel® Iris™ Pro Graphics 6200, expect to see up to 20% better graphics performance, up to 35% Faster Video Conversion, and up to 20% Compute Performance. (Core i7-5950HQ with Iris Pro graphics 6200 compared to Core i7-4950HQ with Iris Pro graphics 5200)

So it seems to me they don't don't have a problem comparing direct replacements.

 

[Qwertilot]

Maybe

Toms don't measure it direct - just seem to mention the 10-12w as an offhand figure from somewhere? Wish they did pin it down but maybe hard. These seem to be the extant figures:

Toms measure it as using 42/52W (i5/i7 versions respectively) in 'real' gaming, which is actually identical to an i74770T and i74770S respectively.

65/75w in full power torture measurement (both CPU and iGPU fully on) which is about 10w higher than the i7 4770T and 4770S.

Anand Tech got 66/67W for what is seemingly the CPU components flat out(?).

So the iGPU clearly doesn't dominate power use. Probably some fiddly dynamic clocking going on. Even if it is 20w of iGPU they could easily double that in principle.

It seems to be more whether they're actually interested/think there's a market.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Yes, zero edvidence in your youtube link as expected.

So you're just choosing to ignore what was tested and proven? What's your game?

 

[TheELF]

It seems to be more whether they're actually interested/think there's a market.

Haswell igpu is overclockable,this one probably is as well so everyone who wants to could try and up it.
No reason for intel to make their tdp look even worse.

 

[Blue_Max]

Intel LOWERED the price of Haswell Iris Pro to be a $56 adder.

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/75023/4th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors#@All

Core i7 4950HQ: $623
Core i7 4910MQ: $568

623-568 = $56

Oh no... that kind of price means i5 + MXM video will still be cheaper. If they could cut that price about half, it'd be a big competitor across the board.

Dang... so disappointing.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Oh no... that kind of price means i5 + MXM video will still be cheaper. If they could cut that price about half, it'd be a big competitor across the board.

Dang... so disappointing.

First of all its listprices that nobody pays. And it showsvery little difference between 2 quadcores. Your MXM module in this case would have to cost 56$.

For i5.
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/84980/5th-Generation-Intel-Core-i5-Processors#@Mobile

 

[BFG10K]

HBM is also a one-trick pony unless,wait right they are already talking about improving HBM so why would it be impossible to improve eDRAM? Make it faster bigger or even just cheaper.

You can improve it but you'll never repeat the initial leap over not having it. It's like a CPU with no L2 cache suddenly getting one. Sure, you can improve the L2 each generation after that, but you'll never repeat the massive initial improvement, unless you add another radical change.

The same applies to HBM, which itself is another radical change.

And HBM only works on VGAs, where the manufacturer can reconfigure the ram modules anyway they like,I very much doubt that you can turn your standard dual channel ddr3 dimm modules into stacked memory,no matter what you do software or controller wise,and putting even only 1gb of (HBM) mem into a CPU or into the chipset? I don't really see that happening either. I mean intel charges ~ $50 for 126Mb ,imagine the price for 1Gb.

Tell that to the people that think dGPUs and DIMMs will disappear and be replaced completely by CPUs, and 300W TDP water cooling MiniITX is a viable solution for this scenario.

 

[exar333]

You can improve it but you'll never repeat the initial leap over not having it. It's like a CPU with no L2 cache suddenly getting one. Sure, you can improve the L2 each generation after that, but you'll never repeat the massive initial improvement, unless you add another radical change.

The same applies to HBM, which itself is another radical change.


Tell that to the people that think dGPUs and DIMMs will disappear and be replaced completely by CPUs, and 300W TDP water cooling MiniITX is a viable solution for this scenario.

This...

There is a reason we have seen CPU TDPs stay relatively consistent at between 50-95w for the past 10-15 years. The cost to decrease this significantly, from a standard desktop perspective is cost-prohibitive, and it's a sweet-spot in terms of power usage.

I do think we will continue to see more and more packed into the CPU, BUT within the current power envelopes we see today. There will be some exceptions, and it would be great to have some Xeons/Opterons with this in mind, built for 175w+ that we see trickle-down to enthusiast SKUs. BUT, these will likely not be mainstream or cheap.

A cheap motherboard with DIMM slots, cheap aluminum heatsink and fan plus expandable graphics slot will continue to be an inexpensive option for most OEM builds. It is expensive to have radically different CPU die options. It is one thing to have cut-down dies with varying cores, caches and GPU units. It is a whole other when you start to add relatively expensive HBM/HMC memory to the mix plus a shared cache hierarchy.

That said, a 300w CPU monster would be awesome, but the demand for this remains to be seen....I kind of like buying a CPU for 3-4 years and replacing just the GPU every 1-2 years. Works pretty well.

 

[Madpacket]

I'm excited of the prospect of having a new Surface Pro with Skylake + Iris Pro.

One thing to point out for the 720P HTPC crowd is the A8-7600 / 7650K at $100 already scratches the low end gaming itch. Iris Pro would be great but at over twice the price it doesn't make a lot of sense in a HTPC (unless they release NUC versions and absolutely the smallest footprint is needed).

These CPU's at the current price really only make sense for high end laptop or Surface Pro type form factors. Ideally when Skylake is released they should offer a dual core / dual threaded version with Iris Pro for $150 +- $20. This would decimate anything AMD has for APU's until Zen/HBM is released.

 

[tential]

I'm excited of the prospect of having a new Surface Pro with Skylake + Iris Pro.

One thing to point out for the 720P HTPC crowd is the A8-7600 / 7650K at $100 already scratches the low end gaming itch. Iris Pro would be great but at over twice the price it doesn't make a lot of sense in a HTPC (unless they release NUC versions and absolutely the smallest footprint is needed).

These CPU's at the current price really only make sense for high end laptop or Surface Pro type form factors. Ideally when Skylake is released they should offer a dual core / dual threaded version with Iris Pro for $150 +- $20. This would decimate anything AMD has for APU's until Zen/HBM is released.

Skylake NUC needs to come asap imo. I'm very interested in how much things improve over broadwell as a whole.

 

[Blue_Max]

First of all its listprices that nobody pays. And it showsvery little difference between 2 quadcores. Your MXM module in this case would have to cost 56$.

For i5.
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/84980/5th-Generation-Intel-Core-i5-Processors#@Mobile

...so you're saying someone magically gets a $200+ discount?

Those i5 tray prices are ~$300 and the i7 with Iris is $600+

And who is to say you won't pay list price for that i5 either, then.

If I were to play your game and cut each price in ~half, the i5 is now $150 and the i7 Iris is only $300.... that $150 difference could still get a better MXM deal than Iris would provide.

In short - it's too dang expensive, thus almost defeats the purpose. Simplicity of a one-chip low-power design is good, don't get me wrong, but if it's too expensive it won't be used by anyone.

 

[ShintaiDK]

...so you're saying someone magically gets a $200+ discount?

Those i5 tray prices are ~$300 and the i7 with Iris is $600+

And who is to say you won't pay list price for that i5 either, then.

If I were to play your game and cut each price in ~half, the i5 is now $150 and the i7 Iris is only $300.... that $150 difference could still get a better MXM deal than Iris would provide.

In short - it's too dang expensive, thus almost defeats the purpose. Simplicity of a one-chip low-power design is good, don't get me wrong, but if it's too expensive it won't be used by anyone.

You are still compare apples to oranges. Aka quadcores to dualcores. The i5 with iris pro is listed at 289$. While non iris pro i5s are between 281 and 315$ in list price.

It would have been much easier if you checked the links before continuing on the wrong path.

 

[sm625]

Another thing to consider is that it may not be possible to get discounts on iris pro version like the OEMs clearly get on the non iris pro chips. If intel forces everyone to pay list price for iris pro SKUs, yet offers deep discounts on non iris SKUs then of course no one will use the iris SKUs. What intel needs to do is offer the discounts on only iris pro SKUs. Then we will see a mass influx of quality IGP notebooks for reasonable prices. It seems intel doesnt see nvidia as a big enough threat to do this.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Do they have to?

3.8% marketshare change YoY. And no sign of stopping.

 

[Blue_Max]

You are still compare apples to oranges. Aka quadcores to dualcores. The i5 with iris pro is listed at 289$. While non iris pro i5s are between 281 and 315$ in list price.

It would have been much easier if you checked the links before continuing on the wrong path.

Your link was only for the i5's. You neglected to link or mention the i7 lineup's full prices, only quoting the top-end one which is $200 more than one tiny step down.
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/84979/5th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors#@Mobile
...so how about you dial back the aggression a notch, eh?


That out of the way, the new desktop iterations aren't much more expensive than current i5/i7's, even with the Iris Pro 6200 in there - certainly cheaper than an i5-k and equivalent video card and only 65W TDP. Whether 2C/4T or 4C/4T variants, it'll do well at the $250-325 I was hoping to see in the first place. I can't wait to get one in a NUC box!