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igor_kavinski said:
I would love to know what Intel has promised him, like perks/future first dibs on product at launch etc.
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Intel has given him almost $100k to give to his employees as part of the Extreme Tech Upgrade series, a flagrant violation of ethical norms. Now if he slams Intel, his employees will get angry at him for losing another chance at a 'bonus.'

He has gotten exclusive access to the design and fabrication facilities.

He's also pretty clearly making paid video's without disclosing it. He's admitted as much in the past.
 
guidryp said:
This isn't a review though. It's a interview/exploration with people from Intel.

Childish rants are great for YT views on reviews, but not really decent behavior when dealing with guests. Inviting people then ambushing them is poor behavior, unless you think the Jerry Springer Show is how people should behave.
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Do you really believe he invited Intel?
 
guidryp said:
Do you believe they just showed up at his doorstep unannounced?
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It's pretty clear that this was initiated by Intel, as the Peterson/Shrout pair visited a whole bunch of reviewers and such in a brief period. It's not logical to think that they independently decided to all invite Intel over at the very same time or that these media outlets colluded to arrange this. Intel has the motive to do so, not the media.
 
Aapje said:
It's pretty clear that this was initiated by Intel, as the Peterson/Shrout pair visited a whole bunch of reviewers and such in a brief period. It's not logical to think that they independently decided to all invite Intel over at the very same time or that these media outlets colluded to arrange this. Intel has the motive to do so, not the media.
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Not only has the motive, but the power to do this. When the powerful "invites" themselves to your premises, who can refuse.
 
Aapje said:
It's pretty clear that this was initiated by Intel, as the Peterson/Shrout pair visited a whole bunch of reviewers and such in a brief period. It's not logical to think that they independently decided to all invite Intel over at the very same time or that these media outlets colluded to arrange this. Intel has the motive to do so, not the media.
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They are still guests. Guests they were happy to have as they seldom get to interview company engineers.

I know some people get the vicarious jollies from hosts attacking guests on Jerry Springer, but that isn't the way civilized people behave.
 
Full disclosure: Haven't watched any of the tech-tuber stuff.

You can be polite while still being firm, pressing on non-answers and political BS to at least lay bare some element of underlying truth.

Its like our American media: Have you ever given any privileged stock tips to your spouse as a member of congress? No? LOL OK THEN we'll just accept that ridiculous answer and not point out the 500 times you guys happened to make coincidentally beneficial stock purchases right before a major piece of legislation passed! Wouldn't want you guys declining future interviews with us now would we!

Now someone could be a complete dick about it, or they can calmly but firmly point out the inconsistencies in an answer through a sort of Socratic approach of continually asking follow-up questions without bringing a bunch of negative BS into it.

My go to example is the interview Axios did with DJT, where the interviewer was calm, professional, always kept DJT in the drivers seat but didn't just accept the "facts" that he was provided at face value. The interviewer definitely played up the "i'm a dummy could you explain that in more detail" angle, but he was never rude or offensive in any way. That's the ideal interview in virtually any circumstance, I wish it was applied far more broadly as a tactic.
 
Tup3x said:
No sure I've ever seen gains this big from just +76 MHz overclock. :dizzy: I hope Gamers Nexus does proper OC testing.
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I think it's been observed already in the forums, and attributed to a power management issue rather than the minimal overclock. In fact I bet we'd see higher than stock performance even with a 50Mhz downclock (that is... if the driver supports moving the slider to the left 😛 )
 
Tup3x said:
No sure I've ever seen gains this big from just +76 MHz overclock.
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The increased power is the primary performance driver. ETAPrime slapped a desktop heatsink on a 6800U laptop set it at 50W and got a nice performance uplift. So the idea that the ARC is held back by conservative power settings is not unreasonable.

Vid starts with the cooler being added.

 
On the Intel presentations with tech tubers: I don't see an issue with it. We all want to know as much as we can about their foray into the dGPU market. Why they chose the Chinese market. What the feature set is all about.

They would have to be complete idiots, to not get out in front of all of the bad reviews pouring in, once the cards were in hand. Explaining their strategy, acknowledging the hot mess state of the drivers, and issuing assurances that they are burning both ends of the candle to get things sorted and release to retail, should be pro forma, given the situation.

Intel has made some claims too. Stating they are going to win bang for buck, and kick ass in a humble way, is a bold move Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.
 
On the other hand, even at $130 for the A340 what is the price of the plain 6400?
Not that used to looking at US prices, but a quick look on pcpartpicker finds the cheapest 6400 at $150. Although that might be comparing retail against list.

Anyway, what does $20 get you in this case:
Far better perf/watt:
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Better performance:
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Far better frame rate consistency:
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Personally, Intel would have the be even cheaper. Unless AV1 decode/encode is super important.
 
They should blow the door open on tweaking every tiny detail of their graphics settings. That should guarantee sales to the tweakers and tinkerers. Publish a whole manual on their GPU driver's registry keys/settings.
 
igor_kavinski said:
They should blow the door open on tweaking every tiny detail of their graphics settings. That should guarantee sales to the tweakers and tinkerers. Publish a whole manual on their GPU driver's registry keys/settings.
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DIY graphics driver builder. Moving the blame onward onto the consumer.
"Your framerate is way too low. Work on your graphics optimization more, try harder!"
 
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