Pretty sure that's the case. Don't know why but after that earnings report and their guidance for the near future... Cancelling Arc was literally the first thing I was thinking of. Don't know why.
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How are they going to make money with the chips being fabbed at expensive TSMC?
JasonLD
Senior member
Like how Nvidia and AMD does it?
GPUs are part of their future Data Center product plan and I don't see them giving up on them anytime soon though. Unless you are talking about consumer dGPUs.
IntelUser2000
Elite Member
This is exactly the thing they need to stop doing if they want to expand.* It makes sense from an immediate revenue only point of view, but sticking until it works is how you survive and eventually thrive. In some ways stock prices and product quality work counter to each other. Dividends and buybacks are all revenue plus. So is cutting R&D and CapEx. But let's see in ten years how you fare.
There's a girl in China that entered university and she went to school everyday by climbing on ropes. How many people have the persistence to do that? That and the government making less-stupid decisions than the US in regards to startups and investments is why US Is in a decline and China is regarded to be the future superpower by many.
*This is what I hope Gelsinger Intel does.
Yes. They are pretty much different products at this point.
The other option would be to put Arc on ice until (if) they manage to get an internal node worth using rather than use TSMC.
JasonLD
Senior member
No, what Intel needs to do is keep on releasing Arc and keep improving their drivers. That would only work for the short term but would be a horrible move for a long term.
iGPU software was expected to meet demands but wasnt.
That seems very amateurish for a company with the reputation of Intel. This speaks volumes to the state of organization.
Saylick
Diamond Member
Just a rumor for now, but the rumor mill is all saying that the Intel higher ups are considering pulling the plug. No word of whether or not they will do it, just considering it, and if they do pull the plug, it won't be expected. Until the day it happens, if it happens, Intel's marketing won't telegraph the decision at all.
GodisanAtheist
Diamond Member
- So did you just learn about Intel yesterday or... 😛
Anyhow, wow what an absolute Hindenburg here. This is shaping up to be more of a slow rolling disaster than I had anticipated.
That rumor came from a terrible Youtuber. You even linked him.
Intel is not planning to cancel their GPUs.
You should stop watching that garbage. I'm serious. RGT is nearly always wrong and most of the stories they share are fabricated. I use "most" to be pleasant and understanding.
I normally don't put myself on the line like this, but Intel would cease selling CPUs before they cancelled GPUs. Margins in the enterprise GPU market are far higher than the x86 CPU market.
17W vs how much does your processor eat when transcoding?I hope so because the A380 has terrible idle power consumption based on this review:
Intel Arc A380 Review - Runs Fine on AMD Ryzen
Intel Arc A380 is the first graphics card that the Blue Team is releasing this year. It's based on the new Xe "Alchemist" architecture, which includes support for hardware-accelerated ray tracing. In our in-depth review of the A380 we check rasterization performance, RT performance, power, heat...www.techpowerup.com
Kind of puts the damper on buying it for a transcoding card in a server to me.
HurleyBird
Platinum Member
Might make sense to do some housecleaning in the department, however.
GodisanAtheist
Diamond Member
-Even after 5 years, the fact that Intel can launch something and even land in the same vicinity as AMD/NV within similar silicon characteristics is cause enough to continue, IMO.
It's not good, but it's not a total blow out
If so, ARC380s will gain a lot of value! As a collectors item.
I think if Intel cancels its GPU project this time around it is game over for Intel. Sooner or later Intel will need to make a powerful APU.
Yes, apples m1 "flopped"* on round 1, but Apple will come back with a more compelling product. Eventually Apple, Nvidia, Samsung, Qualcomm, or AMD will put together a SOC that rules them all. Without a GPU, that day will be the end of the line for Intel.
Intel needs a GPU if it is to have a future.
*failed to dominate the market
China will cease to be a major anything in about 10 years.
China Isn’t That Strategic
The country is often portrayed as a master of long-term thinking. It’s not that simple.
Guess that 1 child policy was a mistake.
Looks like the USA's golden age gets to run another century.
She is going to need that grit. She is going to have to support an elderly population for her entire career. It is going to be brutal for her. Wonder how she is even going to afford having children?
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All at the same time is no coincidence. The rumor mill (techtubers) were most likely fed from just one guy/source which in my opinion is fishy. And note that all of them don't say they are shutting it down, they are saying it is considered. So in some time when it's clear it didn't happen nobody can see they were wrong because they didn't say Intel shut it down.
HurleyBird
Platinum Member
Not what he said. Maybe you should watch the video.
I share the same concern as many others. That being, buying Intel dGPUs and a year or 2 from now having driver support abandoned. While I might risk my own money anyways, I would not spec them in clients builds.
Many of us have quipped about how Intel abandons new markets far too readily. Combine that with the Q2 results, serious market contraction, and high probability of a looming global recession, and suddenly, Intel scaling the division way back starts sounding reasonable. They have proved time and again the sunk cost fallacy won't make them double down when things are going south.
Many of us have quipped about how Intel abandons new markets far too readily. Combine that with the Q2 results, serious market contraction, and high probability of a looming global recession, and suddenly, Intel scaling the division way back starts sounding reasonable. They have proved time and again the sunk cost fallacy won't make them double down when things are going south.
A380 retest with the beta driver: https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-arc-a380-and-the-drawcalls-where-is-the-api-overhead/
Slightly higher performance, the main improvement is it runs much more stable. The big problem performance related is clearly the big driver overhead, they have to improve a lot on this.
Slightly higher performance, the main improvement is it runs much more stable. The big problem performance related is clearly the big driver overhead, they have to improve a lot on this.
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