Intel gonna be the new gamers choice?

[BenSkywalker]

The fact is, its not related to video. "Discussion about Video Products" is this subforums description.

Because being CPU limited is never mentioned in these forums. When we discuss upcoming technology such as quad SLI we always comment about all that CPU power we have too much of and its a good thing we see these new GPU tech rolling along..... right?

 

[xtknight]

Thanks for posting the link. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these CPUs, but maybe not until xmas. Sure is a lot of whining about where this thread should be. Let the mods deal with it if it's in the wrong place. If it's not then they'll just leave it here.

 

[darXoul]

Wrong forum but I'm impressed as well. My last Intel was an old Celeron 500. Then I only used AMDs, XP and 64. If the benchmarks are even close to the final performance, Intel will be back in the game... triumphantly. OTOH, if someone plays in high settings, the meaning of CPUs shouldn't be overestimated.

Just kidding a bit - if someone told me 3 months ago that in 2006, I'd be using an Intel CPU and an ATi video card, I'd laugh so hard I'd probably drop dead

 

[Regs]

I do believe people, even me, are getting ahead of ourselves. These processors are not due out for another 6 months. Of course thats if they are not delayed (which could be another 1-12 months). Believe me, Intel knows that their Market is not as rock solid as it was before and they have a lot of stock holders to satisfy. They will show anything and everything to anyone to keep the confidence of everybody up. Im a little skiptic myself about the benchmarks that are coming out. Even in graphical intensive games, a 40% difference seems a little far fetched. It's almost like they are using an hybred R600 video core while the AMD is using a 5900Ultra. Not unless Intel unlocked a hidden power that we were not using from our Computers, or the Intel benchmarks are pure marketing FUD.

Pressure is building however for us consumers to found out what AMD's promises are for the future. Right now AMD does not care to share the information of anything passed the reach of AM2-- which is just support for DDR2.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Regs
I do believe people, even me, are getting ahead of ourselves. These processors are not due out for another 6 months. Of course thats if they are not delayed (which could be another 1-12 months). Believe me, Intel knows that their Market is not as rock solid as it was before and they have a lot of stock holders to satisfy. They will show anything and everything to anyone to keep the confidence of everybody up. Im a little skiptic myself about the benchmarks that are coming out. Even in graphical intensive games, a 40% difference seems a little far fetched. It's almost like they are using an hybred R600 video core while the AMD is using a 5900Ultra. Not unless Intel unlocked a hidden power that we were not using from our Computers, or the Intel benchmarks are pure marketing FUD.

Pressure is building however for us consumers to found out what AMD's promises are for the future. Right now AMD does not care to share the information of anything passed the reach of AM2-- which is just support for DDR2.

according to the bit-tech snippet, the Athlon system is an overclocked FX-60 using low latency ram and 2 X1900XTX's yet its slower than the non overclocked FX60

its a bit fishy

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
for those that dont browse the front page, nor visit CPU forum

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713

take alook at this. its a bit of a role reversal, some very good gains to be had over an X2 2.8GHz chip

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/03/08/intel_conroe_benchmark_fear/

bit-tech got to test FEAR

I'm not really going to trust a benchmark set up by intel, although, if they benchmarks when conroe is released are as good as it seems, i would definatly think about an upgrade.
AM2 is comming out, also something to consider.

 

[Avalon]

I think something about Conroe fits here in this forum, as the performance of this chip is directly related to gaming performance, which is directly tied to video.

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

You mean WE think it needs to be seen. Not just the OP. It's big news and should be treated as such. It's actually the biggest CPU news we have had in almost 3 years. So, it belongs in CPU forum of course, but it also has a place here. I don't know what is up everyone's butt today, but get the old crowbar up there and start diggin.

I would have though the widespread availability of dektop and laptop non-enterprise dual core CPUs would be the most newsworthy event of the past three years, but that's just my opinion and I recognize that.

I mean even the K8 architechture was intoducted <3 years ago starting the upswing of AMD marketshare and leading, indirectly, to the overhall of Intel roadmaps concerning Netburt's future.

I don't know how you can make an assertion like that, I realize you're excited but lets not get ahead of ourselves here (six months ahead, to be specific)

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Regs
I do believe people, even me, are getting ahead of ourselves. These processors are not due out for another 6 months. Of course thats if they are not delayed (which could be another 1-12 months). Believe me, Intel knows that their Market is not as rock solid as it was before and they have a lot of stock holders to satisfy. They will show anything and everything to anyone to keep the confidence of everybody up. Im a little skiptic myself about the benchmarks that are coming out. Even in graphical intensive games, a 40% difference seems a little far fetched. It's almost like they are using an hybred R600 video core while the AMD is using a 5900Ultra. Not unless Intel unlocked a hidden power that we were not using from our Computers, or the Intel benchmarks are pure marketing FUD.

Pressure is building however for us consumers to found out what AMD's promises are for the future. Right now AMD does not care to share the information of anything passed the reach of AM2-- which is just support for DDR2.

The FEAR benchmark is the in-game demo and was run BY Anandtech...and they said they didn't find anything fishy going on...so I think it has a bit more credibility than the other game benchmarks with the Intel time-demos. Still skeptical???

Although I do agree that we have to wait for its release and proper benchmarking.

 

[WelshBloke]

I wonder if this will persuade NV to allow SLI on intel chipsets as Ati will have a hell of an advantage if crossfire works with the new Intel chips and SLI doesnt?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

You mean WE think it needs to be seen. Not just the OP. It's big news and should be treated as such. It's actually the biggest CPU news we have had in almost 3 years. So, it belongs in CPU forum of course, but it also has a place here. I don't know what is up everyone's butt today, but get the old crowbar up there and start diggin.

I would have though the widespread availability of dektop and laptop non-enterprise dual core CPUs would be the most newsworthy event of the past three years, but that's just my opinion and I recognize that.

I mean even the K8 architechture was intoducted <3 years ago starting the upswing of AMD marketshare and leading, indirectly, to the overhall of Intel roadmaps concerning Netburt's future.

I don't know how you can make an assertion like that, I realize you're excited but lets not get ahead of ourselves here (six months ahead, to be specific)

I'll contact my lawyer and we will put together a package for you that explicitly explains what I meant. I don't feel like picking apart my post right now to make you happy. We will cover all bases, dot "i's" and cross "t's".

But seriously, I meant for Intel and Intel fans. AND AMD fans, because this changes things for many of them. Dual core was exciting, but the results were "Yeah, thats pretty kewl. But the fact is that not many practical applications support dual core yet and we don't see much benefit for it. So the results of higher clocked single core chips were better than dual core chips in applications that were not multithreaded. There are precious few games that take advantage of multicore cpu's. That will of course change very soon. This Conroe however, marks the end of Intels big snooze since the last PIII chip rolled off their fab lines. So, yes, this is the biggest news since. Moreso than dual core cpu announcement. And, this is my opinion and I recognize that.

 

[Matthias99]

This is in the wrong forum. You can sort of make a tenuous link by claiming that anything remotely related to gaming belongs in Video. But that's what Software is for.

In any case, it's WAY too early to make any kind of real judgement on this thing. Looks promising, though; certainly much better in gaming than the P4-based chips.

I've read some other analysis on the benches, and FWIW some people are claiming the drastic difference in these benches is probably due to the much larger cache on the Conroe chip. If enough of the game engine fits into the L2/L3 cache, your performance in non-GPU-bound and non-memory-bound situations will go way up; you can see the same thing if you dig up benches of a P4EE (w/2MB of L2) playing something like Quake3 (which has a very small memory footprint).

 

[fliguy84]

Rahul Sood (Voodoo PC owner) has something interesting to say about this matter

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03/if...ad-time-machine.html?www.dailytech.com

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

You mean WE think it needs to be seen. Not just the OP. It's big news and should be treated as such. It's actually the biggest CPU news we have had in almost 3 years. So, it belongs in CPU forum of course, but it also has a place here. I don't know what is up everyone's butt today, but get the old crowbar up there and start diggin.

I would have though the widespread availability of dektop and laptop non-enterprise dual core CPUs would be the most newsworthy event of the past three years, but that's just my opinion and I recognize that.

I mean even the K8 architechture was intoducted <3 years ago starting the upswing of AMD marketshare and leading, indirectly, to the overhall of Intel roadmaps concerning Netburt's future.

I don't know how you can make an assertion like that, I realize you're excited but lets not get ahead of ourselves here (six months ahead, to be specific)

I'll contact my lawyer and we will put together a package for you that explicitly explains what I meant. I don't feel like picking apart my post right now to make you happy. We will cover all bases, dot "i's" and cross "t's".

But seriously, I meant for Intel and Intel fans. AND AMD fans, because this changes things for many of them. Dual core was exciting, but the results were "Yeah, thats pretty kewl. But the fact is that not many practical applications support dual core yet and we don't see much benefit for it. So the results of higher clocked single core chips were better than dual core chips in applications that were not multithreaded. There are precious few games that take advantage of multicore cpu's. That will of course change very soon. This Conroe however, marks the end of Intels big snooze since the last PIII chip rolled off their fab lines. So, yes, this is the biggest news since. Moreso than dual core cpu announcement. And, this is my opinion and I recognize that.

No worries, it wasn't meant to be personal

I can't wait for these chips to enter more reviews sites with the standardized benchmarks so it can truly show how these perform in more applications. I'm hoping for everyone that it lives up to this shown potential.

 

[beggerking]

anyone know how energy effecient is the conroe cpu? compare to x2?

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: fliguy84
Rahul Sood (Voodoo PC owner) has something interesting to say about this matter

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03/if...ad-time-machine.html?www.dailytech.com

thanks, Rahul Sood does raise some valid questions....things that make you say hmmm..

You?ll notice that the image I am referring to on Anandtech's website (the bios image) states that the AMD processor is ?unknown? which makes me believe that the bios they are running is outdated. So, I did a bit of digging and low and behold, the DFI bios version ?D49C-32? they are running is from 10/11/05. There has been 1 major revision with major fixes that include:

- According to DFI the FX-60 will not operate correctly without this bios update. Without official support for the FX-60 CPU I?m not sure what we?re comparing against here

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: fliguy84
Rahul Sood (Voodoo PC owner) has something interesting to say about this matter

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03/if...ad-time-machine.html?www.dailytech.com

Rahul Sood's blog was very informative and frankly...much easier to believe than intel's hoop dreams.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
It definitely belongs here and thanks to the OP for the link. :thumbsup: Media encoding is also mentioned... this is video encoding in case you didn't know.

Talk about fanboy noise. :roll: We should all be happy... this means AMD is gonna have to go back to slashing their prices and Intel will have to follow. Competition among hardware companies is a good thing! And people call me a fool.

you call yourself that
:Q



Conroe is AWESOME news . . . and i see it is still here in Video . . . unlocked [did anyone post in FI yet/ ] . . . where it also belongs. . . . somehow i think "gaming performance" is related to Video . . .

but that is just me

 

[jim1976]

Can everyone stop this annoying OT thing??
Besides that these are some really impressive numbers.. Glad to see that Intel is back on the game strongly...

 

[Cookie Monster]

This is good news.

But the thing is, they compared a 2.66ghz Conroe to an FX-60. Even with the BIOS update, i dont think the FX-60 will outperform a 3.33ghz Conroe XE.

 

[kmmatney]

Well, I'm waiting to see how much these things cost, and if there will be a "Celeron" for the Conroe. Intel has a habit of jacking up the prices when they have the upper hand.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
Well, I'm waiting to see how much these things cost, and if there will be a "Celeron" for the Conroe. Intel has a habit of jacking up the prices when they have the upper hand.

Not sure, but there will be a $200 1.8ghz Conroe

 

[Turin39789]

Meh,

OT for video forum

Chip not on shelves

chip not given to sites for independent testing of their choosing

Potentially intentionally misleading test /whisper(ITS PR PEOPLE, NOTHING MORE)

FANBOI FIGHT!

 

[M0RPH]

All the AMD fans are getting cranky it seems. It's just like Nvidia vs ATI. The other side comes out with a faster card and people get all defensive because their own card isn't the fastest any more.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I believe IBM said there will be Cell blade series servers, but that's about it?

cell is worthless for general computing

Your response is somewhat muddled to me. Are you confirming that specific server type tasking is where Cell will stop?

Cell has a lot of limiting factors sony doesnt talk about. The DSPs suck at everything but fixed functions. It only does in order execution, and all the cores have off die cache...