Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[inf64]

Could E core be more effcient than X core in Snapdragon 8+ gen 1?

Hmm I'm not sure, do you have any reviews that show CPU-only power draw of Snapdragon 8+ gen 1? I found that the whole Snapdragon 8+ gen1 SOC (GPU included )draws around 14.5W in some review.

 

[moinmoin]

Could E core be more effcient than X core in Snapdragon 8+ gen 1?

Not exactly 8+ gen 1, but maybe somebody with Surface Pro with a variant of 8cx can run PES?

 

[hemedans]

Hmm I'm not sure, do you have any reviews that show CPU-only power draw of Snapdragon 8+ gen 1? I found that the whole Snapdragon 8+ gen1 SOC (GPU included )draws around 14.5W in some review.

4 to 4.5W per core,

 

[inf64]

4 to 4.5W per core,

So they are about equal if we look at the Computerbase's findings from 12900K's review. I think that E cores in Raptor cove might be even better, but we'll have to wait for the reviews.

 

[nicalandia]

These two Sapphire CPUs are posting Mediocre performance.

2S 32C/64T(X2) Only 996.87GOPS

Details for Result ID 2x Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0000%@ (32C 64T 2.2千兆赫（GHz）/3.9千兆赫（GHz）, 32x 2兆字节（MB） L2, 60兆字节（MB） L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

2S 10C/20T(X2) Only 330.44GOPS

Details for Result ID 2x Intel(R) Xeon(R) Silver 4410T (10C 20T 2.7GHz/4GHz, 10x 2MB L2, 26.25MB L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

The 3960X 24C/48T Gets 881.15GOPS

Details for Result ID AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X 24-Core Processor (24C 48T 4.2GHz, 24x 512kB L2, 8x 16MB L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

 

[nicalandia]

What kind of weird CPU is this? Golden Cove? Raptor Cove? 2MiB L2$ indicates Server Golden Cove/Raptor Cove, but the Limited L3 is only 36MiB(1.5 MiB per Core, that is very low)

Details for Result ID Genuine Intel(R) 0000 (24C 48T 1.61GHz/5.2GHz, 12x 2MB L2, 36MB L3)

Details for Result ID Genuine Intel(R) 0000 (24C 48T 1.61GHz/5.2GHz, 12x 2MB L2, 36MB L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

 

[jpiniero]

What kind of weird CPU is this? Golden Cove? Raptor Cove? 2MiB L2$ indicates Server Golden Cove/Raptor Cove, but the Limited L3 is only 36MiB(1.5 MiB per Core, that is very low)

Details for Result ID Genuine Intel(R) 0000 (24C 48T 1.61GHz/5.2GHz, 12x 2MB L2, 36MB L3)

Probably Raptor Lake. It's probably just misdetecting the number of threads as 48 instead of 32.

 

[nicalandia]

Probably Raptor Lake. It's probably just misdetecting the number of threads as 48 instead of 32.

That is true, seen the 1.61 Ghz Base and 5.2 Ghz Boost would indicate that it's probably the Intel i9 13900T it's a 35 Watt part.

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

Not exactly 8+ gen 1, but maybe somebody with Surface Pro with a variant of 8cx can run PES?

AFAIK CBR23 does not run natively on Windows on ARM. So sadly this would not be a represantative comparison. Not to mention that I am betting the farm for native support.

 

[moinmoin]

AFAIK CBR23 does not run natively on Windows on ARM. So sadly this would not be a represantative comparison. Not to mention that I am betting the farm for native support.

That's unfortunate, ARM Macs are supported...

 

[Geddagod]

That's what the rumors are saying. It was originally similar to Sapphire in being 4 chiplets but then changed to be closer to what Milan/Genoa is.

What rumors?

 

[jpiniero]

What rumors?

Don't have anything more to add. It's 2+ years away so I wouldn't sweat it.

 

[nicalandia]

Another Sapphire Rapids-SP CPU makes it's debut on SiSoftware

Intel Xeon Gold 6414UL 32C/64T 3.4GHz, 2.2GHz, 2MB L2, 60MB L3

Details for Result ID Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6414UL (32C 64T 3.4GHz, 2.2GHz IMC, 64x 2MB L2, 64x 60MB L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

Native Arithmetic Performance


AVX-512



Due to the low clocks The Performance of these Sapphire Rapids Release CPUs is Underwhelming, the 7950X just steam rolls it in Arithmetic and AVX-512

 

[nicalandia]

Due to the Language Barrier sometimes its hard to follow YuuKi_Ans

 

[Exist50]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Well, Intel execs starting to show their true colors again. Not going to shed any tears for their sales and marketing, especially given how grossly incompetent the latter has been, but it would be foolish to hope that the cuts end there. Guess the only thing to hope is that the cuts to engineering are minimal.

 

[Thala]

4 to 4.5W per core,

This is platform power not core power.

 

[jpiniero]

Well, Intel execs starting to show their true colors again. Not going to shed any tears for their sales and marketing, especially given how grossly incompetent the latter has been, but it would be foolish to hope that the cuts end there. Guess the only thing to hope is that the cuts to engineering are minimal.

It's kinda different when you are losing money.

 

[moinmoin]

I'd expect the cuts to be more targeted this round. Bringing back all the veterans cut earlier can't have been cheap, so there should have been some lessons learned.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Instead of the cuts hitting the regular employees who just do the best they can, they should focus on revising the salaries of executives, managers and project leaders. I'm pretty sure there are tons who are getting paid way more than they are worth.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I'd expect the cuts to be more targeted this round. Bringing back all the veterans cut earlier can't have been cheap, so there should have been some lessons learned.

they can let all the server validation and qualification people go. totally not needed

 

[eek2121]

Instead of the cuts hitting the regular employees who just do the best they can, they should focus on revising the salaries of executives, managers and project leaders. I'm pretty sure there are tons who are getting paid way more than they are worth.

It's hard to change company culture. Intel has always been middle-management focused. Companies have laid off as much as 90% of their staff in an attempt to change culture.

Side note: If you are in the tech industry, ensure you have adequate savings. Layoffs are skyrocketing right now due to all the free money disappearing.

EDIT: I'm not saying the tech industry is the only industry that is doing this, but it is certainly one of the hardest hit. I suspect other industries will follow.

 

[hemedans]

This is platform power not core power.

Skip around 13M they measure core power.

Anandtech didnt test cortex X2, we have cortex X1, A77 and A78 data from Anandtech, you can see no much difference between his data and Anandtech data for older cores.

 

[DrMrLordX]

they can let all the server validation and qualification people go. totally not needed

Hey if I had to do any firings at Intel, that's the first place I'd go! No jobs lost, major win.

 

[nicalandia]

More info on Sapphire Rapids 8S from YuuKi_Ans

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580360772172935169

 

[nicalandia]

Xeon Sapphire Rapids-SP 2S Geekbench

Quanta Cloud Technology Inc. QuantaGrid D54Q-2U - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Quanta Cloud Technology Inc. QuantaGrid D54Q-2U with an Intel Xeon Platinum 8480+ processor.

browser.geekbench.com

78,000 points for 112 cores