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That Genoa part has an issue while running the multithreaded AES-XTS benchmark, the score is lower than the single core score.Thats bad... Intel is behind
this an 96 core EYPC zen 4.
That Genoa part has an issue while running the multithreaded AES-XTS benchmark, the score is lower than the single core score.Thats bad... Intel is behind
this an 96 core EYPC zen 4.
As to be expected from unreleased hardware and BIOS.That Genoa part has an issue while running the multithreaded AES-XTS benchmark, the score is lower than the single core score.
Thats correct, Redwood Cove+ on a better node. Its going to need more than 10% on IPC to still be relevant against Turin Zen5. Sapphire Rapids and Emerald Rapids will have to endure such a difficult task against Zen4, Zen4X3DMLID says Granite Rapid gets 5-10% more IPC on Redwood+ architecture and Intel 3 node. No Lion Cove?
Intel plans on making up for it with more sockets. Compute density with Intel will actually be higher than with AMD. A 448 core Intel system will likely be ahead by a somewhat decent amount. Don’t ask about power consumption, however.
Ignoring for a sec his IPC predictions (which I'll note, he's already more than halved vs his prior claims), if GNR is RWC-based ("+" or otherwise), then it will not realistically compete head to head with Turin. Should close much of the SPR/EMR-Genoa gap from the increased core count and node shrink, but they're not going to be competitive with that core and similar process nodes.MLID says Granite Rapid gets 5-10% more IPC on Redwood+ architecture and Intel 3 node. No Lion Cove?
If they need two blades for 8S, then they're not likely to have better or comparable compute density. And >2S is a small and dying market anyway. Long term, I imagine 1/2S systems will be the norm, interconnected with CXL for coherency.Intel plans on making up for it with more sockets. Compute density with Intel will actually be higher than with AMD. A 448 core Intel system will likely be ahead by a somewhat decent amount. Don’t ask about power consumption, however.
I'm confused, I did not hear anything about redwood cove+ being 5-10% more IPC than either redwood cove or raptor cove, in the video.MLID says Granite Rapid gets 5-10% more IPC on Redwood+ architecture and Intel 3 node. No Lion Cove?
Intel's Own CEO Pat said that it would be an enhanced core on a smaller node.I'm confused, I did not hear anything about redwood cove+ being 5-10% more IPC than either redwood cove or raptor cove, in the video.
Ik but the IPC figures? Tbh I don't expect a 5-10% IPC uplift from redwood cove+, maybe like >5 or ~5? because I doubt they could change the architecture too much without having to move the timeline again.Intel's Own CEO Pat said that it would be an enhanced core on a smaller node.
Yeah, I didn't actually watch the video. But if he's still claiming 10-20% or whatever, much less anything higher, well then get your popcorn ready, because this'll be a trainwreck you don't want to miss. Well, more for him than anyone else, but we all know how that goes.Ik but the IPC figures? Tbh I don't expect a 5-10% IPC uplift from redwood cove+, maybe like >5 or ~5? because I doubt they could change the architecture too much without having to move the timeline again.
Plus I think @Exist50 thinks that you meant over 5-10% ipc over raptor cove, Tom didn't give any figures, he just said a bigger uplift from alder lake to raptor cove. So Tom expects slightly more than the 10-20% IPC uplift he cited before for redwood cove.
I recall the 10% plus but not the 10-12%. Not that I doubt it won't be in that range.Pat said 10-12% not 5-10%. Another time he said "10% plus". Again MLID has some sources but they are tainted by rampant speculations of his own.
"A major new core" almost makes me wonder if it was intended to be upgraded to Lion Cove, but they were forced to backtrack sometime after Gelsinger's statement. Surely something they don't even deign to give a new name would not be worth calling that? Or MLID is simply wrong. Certainly won't discount that possibility. But if it is just a Redwood Cove derivative, that would be extremely disappointing.I recall the 10% plus but not the 10-12%. Not that I doubt it won't be in that range.
I believe this was the exact quote-
"We did change the timing of Granite Rapids, and we had a big internal debate show on should we even keep the Granite Rapids name because it was the same platform, but it was a new core on a new process. So to some degree, it was a very different product. But some said, hey, you delayed Granite Rapids. Hey, I say I enhance Granite Rapids, with a much higher performance product, a much — 18% process, a major new core, that’s 10-plus percent in the core. So a much better product and aligned to the customers’ timing. And they said, hey, Sapphire Emerald Granite was too compressed. "
We can't focus on the naming too much. Generally a new name suggests a big change, but it's not an absolute thing. They can do whatever they want, it's their project after all. Goldmont Plus, anyone?"A major new core" almost makes me wonder if it was intended to be upgraded to Lion Cove, but they were forced to backtrack sometime after Gelsinger's statement. Surely something they don't even deign to give a new name would not be worth calling that? Or MLID is simply wrong. Certainly won't discount that possibility. But if it is just a Redwood Cove derivative, that would be extremely disappointing.
Yeah, this is just reading the tea leaves, but if they were willing to give "Raptor Cove" its own name for such meager gains, then I wouldn't expect anything more from "RWC+". I certainly doubt such an upgrade would count as a "major new core". Barely even "new"! But I've been quite open about my pessimism regard Redwood Cove.We can't focus on the naming too much. Generally a new name suggests a big change, but it's not an absolute thing. They can do whatever they want, it's their project after all. Goldmont Plus, anyone?
Well 10-12% is at least of significance. The P core in Raptorlake is just the L2 cache and the prefetcher, which the E cores got too!Yeah, this is just reading the tea leaves, but if they were willing to give "Raptor Cove" its own name for such meager gains, then I wouldn't expect anything more from "RWC+". I certainly doubt such an upgrade would count as a "major new core". Barely even "new"! But I've been quite open about my pessimism regard Redwood Cove.
I'm not convinced we'll see 10-12% IPC over Raptor Cove, much less Redwood Cove. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.Well 10-12% is at least of significance. The P core in Raptorlake is just the L2 cache and the prefetcher, which the E cores got too!
That may be good news for Intel that Sapphire Rapids' delays have essentially compressed the launch window for the product without pushing Emerald Rapids back. But yes it does make you wonder if that means that Sapphire Rapids will have even more delays.Very good Info on Sapphire Rapids and Emerald Rapids..
Rumor has it that EMRs might be scheduled in early 2023.So either Emerald Rapids is Ramping Up Sooner than expected or...Sapphire Rapids is Ramping Up Later as in late 2023?