Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[igor_kavinski]

I don't buy that. If they had them working other than any 'accelerators' they would already be selling them minus those that feature, and could start selling the ones with the accelerators later.

I think a big feature with SPR is their software licensing feature to unlock accelerators for later use. They don't want to admit defeat by launching a range of SKUs without those accelerators and licensing options. That's supposed to be their big ticket to make them "great again" in the enterprise world.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I hope you are right about the big IPC increase. Do you have a source for the four way hyperthreading? The rumors in this forum is the first I have heard of it being used.

No official source so far. You would have to get into an NDA with MLID for that revelation.

 

[nicalandia]

Certain AI/HPC Apps that combine AMX/AVX512 that benefit from High Bandwidth memory will see a boost in performance in the Magnitude of Order when compared to standard settings. Thats where Intel will claim victory over any new AMD offerings. But on general task workload apps, Sapphire Rapids is 2 years late.

 

[poke01]

What I learny from hot chips: MTL and Arrow will have desktops and laptops.

Lunar lake is only 15w and under.

 

[yuri69]

Royal core aims for double single core performance of golden cove and will have four way hyperthreading.. so royal core cinebench prediction 4000 single core performance.. just guessing

During that Keller's talk at Berkeley, he sounded like Intel was truly aiming for a something different. Was it a simple PR or is Intel really going to experiment? Who knows. There are always wild R&D projects with a long way to the market.

Ocean Cove is gone. Royal core on the radar? Who knows

 

[nicalandia]

Sorry. Wrong thread

 

[coercitiv]

I did my rant in another thread, but I guess the new info should also be posted here: Intel has a new brand for their 2023 mobile lineup, will replace Pentium and Celeron with... Processor.

Intel Introduces New Intel Processor for Upcoming Essential Segment PCs

 

[inf64]

I did my rant in another thread, but I guess the new info should also be posted here: Intel has a new brand for their 2023 mobile lineup, will replace Pentium and Celeron with... Processor.

Intel Introduces New Intel Processor for Upcoming Essential Segment PCs

That's an odd thing to trademark. Reminds me of Windows. But hey, as long as they did the market research and response was good, then why not.

 

[nicalandia]

So Intel is going from this


To this?

 

[coercitiv]

To this?

They cannot trademark the word Processor, so it may look more like this.



I hope they have an additional naming scheme to go with this change, but I'm not holding my breath.

RIP Pentium anyway.

 

[jpiniero]

LOL. You have got to be kidding me.

 

[moinmoin]

Looking forward to annoying claims like "This is not the Intel Processor I asked for, this is clearly an Intel Core!"

 

[eek2121]

The dumbest naming scheme in the history of Intel. Everyone involved with that decision should be fired IMO.

 

[desrever]

Seems like a great way to make everyone think "Intel Processors" are low end garbage.

 

[moinmoin]

Seems like a great way to make everyone think "Intel Processors" are low end garbage.

"Okay wait, this Intel Processor is bad because it doesn't have a Core?" *confusion completed*

 

[LightningZ71]

Since these are their value line of processors, they should have tried a name that combines their existing Pentium name with the concept of value...

Value + Pentium = ...

Valium?

 

[bsp2020]

The dumbest naming scheme in the history of Intel. Everyone involved with that decision should be fired IMO.

It's the dumbest...

Until they do something even dumber.

 

[Doug S]

Intel's management is faced with many big issues from process problems they've battled for years, a resurgent AMD, and the COVID PC buying spike ending, and this is what they deem important to spend their time on?

I guess from the school of "we have nothing positive to market, so let's distract people with pointless name changes!"

 

[lyonwonder]

Intel should just simply rebrand the Pentium as Core i1 and phase out Celeron altogether since new CPUs that are only dual core in 2022 are a joke, even for general internet and office usage.

 

[nicalandia]

Intel Sapphire Rapids 300mm Si Wafer.

Total Complete Dies: 148

With 50 killer defects per wafer they could be getting 98 fully functional dies. Out of that how many 60C/120T Xeon Platinum 8490 are they getting?




This was a very good yield calculator but it's been on "Maintenance" for a few months now.

CALY Technologies

caly-technologies.com

 

[Ranulf]

It's the dumbest...

Until they do something even dumber.

Hey, if anything it got me thinking about the Pentium 2 ads. The department of redundancy department is apparently out of ideas at Intel.

RIP Intel Spaceman

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel's management is faced with many big issues from process problems they've battled for years, a resurgent AMD, and the COVID PC buying spike ending, and this is what they deem important to spend their time on?

Marketing's gotta do something. Plus I think the idea was that the Pentium and Celeron product names were confusing people, so they figured they could up sales somehow if they just stuck to a series of numbers and letters and did away with the Pentium/Celeron titles.

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

@nicalandia
If find this calculator to be pretty decent: http://cloud.mooreelite.com/tools/die-yield-calculator/index.html
Without knowing Intel's defect density we cannot calculate the percentage of good dies. But instead we can do a comparison:

• Let us assume a defect density of 0,1 defects/cm²
• For the Alder Lake 8+8 die with a size of 215mm² (10.5 * 20.5) you will get 207 good dies out of 256 in total - around 81% yield
• To get 148 complete dies from 300mm with a squared die it needs to be 19mmx19mm = 361mm² (there is margin for error because of scribe lines)
• Everything else being equal you get 104 good dies and a yield of 70.5%

 

[poke01]

The dumbest naming scheme in the history of Intel. Everyone involved with that decision should be fired IMO.

no, not just Intel but in the history of any company.

Convo:

Person 1: I got the new Intel Processor!
Person 2: Which Intel processor?
Person 1: You know, the one thats called Processor.
Person 2: ahh, I see. (wtf is this person talking about...)

 

[jpiniero]

Didn't notice it at first but the Intel PR makes it sound like it's only changing for laptops. So that there would continue to be Pentiums and Celerons for desktops.