Gotcha, I misunderstood your comment 😊I meant that WCCF article about SPR Xeons coming in October might have been based on unfounded rumor.
On topic of Charlie, i dont follow him, so i have no clue how trustworthy he is.
Gotcha, I misunderstood your comment 😊I meant that WCCF article about SPR Xeons coming in October might have been based on unfounded rumor.
On topic of Charlie, i dont follow him, so i have no clue how trustworthy he is.
Is RPL PL2 going to be the same as ADL?
If so how much do you think performance/watt will increase in MT?
Where did that come from? Pretty sure DLVR (which should be like FIVR in that it shifts the voltage regulation onto the die) is a mobile-only feature. At least for Raptor Lake. It'd probably break motherboard compatibility if they added it for desktop.and if on a newer motherboard (e.g. not z690) it'll have a separate voltage rail available for Gracemont so it won't have to pull the same volts as the Raptor Cove cores
Where did that come from? Pretty sure DLVR (which should be like FIVR in that it shifts the voltage regulation onto the die) is a mobile-only feature. At least for Raptor Lake. It'd probably break motherboard compatibility if they added it for desktop.
ARM + Android and ARM + iOS have been doing it for years.
"It's late in 2013. Intel is frantic about losing the mobile CPU wars to ARM. Meetings with all the validation groups. Head honcho in charge of Validation says something to the effect of: "We need to move faster. Validation at Intel is taking much longer than it does for our competition. We need to do whatever we can to reduce those times... we can't live forever in the shadow of the early 90's FDIV bug, we need to move on. Our competition is moving much faster than we are" - I'm paraphrasing. Many of the engineers in the room could remember the FDIV bug and the ensuing problems caused for Intel 20 years prior. Many of us were aghast that someone highly placed would suggest we needed to cut corners in validation - that wasn't explicitly said, of course, but that was the implicit message. That meeting there in late 2013 signaled a sea change at Intel to many of us who were there. And it didn't seem like it was going to be a good kind of sea change. Some of us chose to get out while the getting was good. As someone who worked in an Intel Validation group for SOCs until mid-2014 or so I can tell you, yes, you will see more CPU bugs from Intel than you have in the past from the post-FDIV-bug era until recently."
I guess bullheaded Intel had to learn it the hard way. And going by the high amount of steppings it doesn't seem to be quite there yet.The mistake there was cutting corners rather than addressing the core issue of why they were taking so long.
Remember the articles about how Jim Keller went in there and changed the way they looked at CPU design and how work was allocated? Something like that.
If you are doing it the wrong way, then do it the right way. There were probably weird way of doing things and whole bunch of bureaucratic processes they had to go through and why it was taking so long.
Intel already has FIVR on Alder Lake:
View attachment 62342
Plenty of voltages are generated by FIVRs from VCCInAux.
1) Locked and running on a standard account rather than admin which limits adjusting system settings.
2) Apps are pretty much all from the Store, which has some standards and is all very controlled.
3) Multitasking capability is much less capable compared to Windows.
From my understanding the LGA1200 motherboards and socket specification just doesn't have the capabilities to handle another voltage plane so yeah, this.Where did that come from? Pretty sure DLVR (which should be like FIVR in that it shifts the voltage regulation onto the die) is a mobile-only feature. At least for Raptor Lake. It'd probably break motherboard compatibility if they added it for desktop.
Did you mean LGA1700?From my understanding the LGA1200 motherboards and socket specification just doesn't have the capabilities to handle another voltage plane so yeah, this.
I think its on desktop too because raptor lake single core is 5.8ghz and all core 5.5ghz.. they need dlvr to reduce watts if they hit 300watt ppt to maybe 240pptI haven't seen if it's mobile-only or not. Whether it breaks compatibility with Z690 remains to be seen. If that feature is only on mobile then lol woops. Too bad for Raptor Lake-S.
edit: reports like this (from Reddit) seem to indicate it could be a desktop feature?
Intel Raptor Lake CPUs To Feature Digital Linear Voltage Regulator 'DLVR' - Could Help Reduce Power Consumption By 25%
Intel's 13th Gen Raptor Lake CPUs are going to feature new DLVR technology to help reduce power consumption and temperatures.wccftech.com
I think its on desktop too because raptor lake single core is 5.8ghz and all core 5.5ghz.. they need dlvr to reduce watts if they hit 300watt ppt to maybe 240ppt
Way I heard things, Keller didn't have time to really succeed with the SoC design teams, but something changed with Core in particular (Atom being on the right path already). But the implication I got was less "willingly reformed" and more "threatened with obsolescence". Actually, I heard they kinda rebuffed him at first.Remember the articles about how Jim Keller went in there and changed the way they looked at CPU design and how work was allocated? Something like that.
Where did you see Q1 for MTL-S?Also, Meteorlake-S in Q1 2024 and Arrowlake-S in the same year. See what I mean by most Meteorlake chips way later than middle of 2023?
I might be wrong on this, but my understanding of DLVR was more as a FIVR alternative? replacement? Some of thing of the sort. This patent is kinda confusing in that regard, but maybe just a different use for the same tech? Wonder also how multiple DLVR would scale... Anyway, still don't really expect it for desktop, but maybe?DLVR only benefits up to 70A and after 50A, the benefit drops rapidly. So that's maximum slightly under 100W, likely under 70W.
Shortening the paths between CPU/GPU/memory is the thing. So nVidia, AMD, and Intel are going that way. For AMD it should be MI300 since it can operate in "an APU mode". So next gen.Not sure if this is the place to put it, but Intel's ISC 2022 announcements are pretty impressive (if they can deliver on time). The idea of a heterogenous HPC product in a single package appears to be the direction of both Intel (XPU) and AMD (APU). We'll just see who gets there first.