Aside from a couple of laptops, what other products ? Product links please
The laptops are indeed the only 10 nm products on the market right now.
Aside from a couple of laptops, what other products ? Product links please
Technically speaking there's also a Cannon Lake NUC.The laptops are indeed the only 10 nm products on the market right now.
Tiger Lake taking the lead for a few months is irrelevant, as iGPUs are. I won't be claiming any different with any of the APUs after Renoir, Van Gogh included.Same with the GPU, AMD falls behind Intel and suddenly it's not relevant anymore.
Intel can't even match a smartphone cpu in single thread on the same testing conditions of the smartphone, how about eight of them?Because Renoir won't be able to match Intel in singlethread against Tigerlake
I think the 3 years old vega is still technical superior (and in performance too) to anything intel have or something has changed that i'm not whereabouts?Same with the GPU, AMD falls behind Intel and suddenly it's not relevant anymore.
Intel can't even match a smartphone cpu in single thread on the same testing conditions of the smartphone, how about eight of them?
I think the 3 years old vega is still technical superior (and in performance too) to anything intel have or something has changed that i'm not whereabouts?
I don't. But I don't know what to expect right now, because things are a little less rosy in Tiger Lake-land than ideal.I expect Renoir to still be faster than Tiger in actual games, despite the lower than expected CU count from AMD.
Ok let me explain it in your own language what you say:So you finally switched into a troll mode after you realized you lost this debate, as expected. This is a poor effort from you.
Ok let me explain it in your own language what you say:
According to you and some posters here, one intel eight core sixteen thread cpu is slower than one intel four core eight thread cpu.
That's your logic. How about that to start an debate?
We have almost zero ice lake parts and you are already comparing yet to be released in one or even two years parts from intel with amd current gen?
Exactly. Everyone could have said this about 4 cores when all intel had were 2 cores, same for 6 core laptops etc. Since intel did those first, they were the pinnacle of tech innovation. Now that AMD has the only 8-core U laptop, some people say that suddenly it doesn't make sense because TGL is coming with 4 cores.@mikk
8c on a lappie is kind of a gimmick, but it sort of isn't. Getting desktop-like performance out of a mobile CPU is really nice. Getting that with a uarch you launched 6 months ago is even better.
Where did anyone claim that?
Steering back from the iGPU bickering, what are people's expectations for Willow Cove clocks in Tiger Lake U?
4.4-4.5GHz single, 3.9-4.1GHz all-core for the top end.Steering back from the iGPU bickering, what are people's expectations for Willow Cove clocks in Tiger Lake U?
Do you expect the base clocks to be significantly higher than what we've seen in the ES leaks?4.4-4.5GHz single, 3.9-4.1GHz all-core for the top end.
Depends on whether or not TVB and/or TB3 are present.
I'm guessing you meant 3.9-4.1 GHz all-core for 6 seconds.4.4-4.5GHz single, 3.9-4.1GHz all-core for the top end.
Depends on whether or not TVB and/or TB3 are present.
Do you expect the base clocks to be significantly higher than what we've seen in the ES leaks?
I'm hoping for
~2.5 GHz for cTDP 15W (vs 2.3 GHz ES)
~3.0 GHz for cTDP 28W (vs 2.7 GHz ES)
If Ice Lake-U is any idea, then what I mean is 3.9-4.1GHz for however long the boost duration is assuming PL2 is set to 45W or so. ICL-U in CB15 clocks at about 3.3GHz at 35W, and this is a non-AVX workload, so I'd assume that at the bare minimum 40-45W might be needed, more for AVX workloads.I'm guessing you meant 3.9-4.1 GHz all-core for 6 seconds.
Do you expect the base clocks to be significantly higher than what we've seen in the ES leaks?
Agreed on both points. AMD's APUs have this issue especially - and it's not even with heavy compute workloads. When stressing the CPU and iGPU at the same time even iwth just a regular game, you'll often find yourself below base at 15W.The -Y chip will probably beat the ICL-U 15W in base clocks lol.
The significance of base clocks are diminished nowadays. You can see laptops using any CPU going below base clocks provided the compute load is great enough(Prime 95 + Furmark for one).