Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Bouowmx]

Aggregating some recent info:

https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/02/microcode-update-guidance.pdf#page=4
Document Intel microcode update guidance mentions Cannon Lake-U with configurations 2+2 and 2+0.

https://www.3dmark.com/pcm10b/199783
Core i3-8130U 2.2-3.4 GHz with UHD Graphics 620 in PCMark. It should be for certain now that this model is not Cannon Lake.

 

[jpiniero]

8130U is most likely QC Kaby Lake Refresh with two of the cores disabled and probably 2 MB cut.

The 8121U is the only one that's Cannon Lake although it does confirm they are intending to release a 2+2 part at some point.

 

[LTC8K6]

Aggregating some recent info:

https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/02/microcode-update-guidance.pdf#page=4
Document Intel microcode update guidance mentions Cannon Lake-U with configurations 2+2 and 2+0.

https://www.3dmark.com/pcm10b/199783
Core i3-8130U 2.2-3.4 GHz with UHD Graphics 620 in PCMark. It should be for certain now that this model is not Cannon Lake.

Shouldn't 3dmark recognize a Coffee Lake cpu? The 8130U cpu and gpu is unrecognized by 3dmark.

YOUR RESULT HAS THE FOLLOWING PROBLEM(S):

• Processor is not recognized
• Graphics card is not recognized

 

[StinkyPinky]

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/cores/coffee_lake_r

Wikichip, for what it's worth, still has a whole line of CFL-R desktop chips listed, including an 8 core 9700K.

They also have a 6c/12t unlocked i5. I'll believe it when i see it.

 

[LTC8K6]

They also have a 6c/12t unlocked i5. I'll believe it when i see it.

If you accept the idea that i7 will move to 8 cores, then logically i5 will be 6 cores, and i3 will be 4 cores.

 

[PeterScott]

If you accept the idea that i7 will move to 8 cores, then logically i5 will be 6 cores, and i3 will be 4 cores.

Well i5 is already 6 cores, but no HT. I think that wiki entry is just someones wishful thinking at this point.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Shouldn't 3dmark recognize a Coffee Lake cpu? The 8130U cpu and gpu is unrecognized by 3dmark.

That's not very unusual. They need coding it in by the folks making the program.

Wikichip, for what it's worth, still has a whole line of CFL-R desktop chips listed, including an 8 core 9700K.

Now the picture becomes clear along with the Z390 chipset.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well i5 is already 6 cores, but no HT. I think that wiki entry is just someones wishful thinking at this point.

Ryzen is 8 cores. Intel must/will go to 8 cores asap. 😀

 

[Bouowmx]

Kaby Lake Core i3-8130U: https://ark.intel.com/products/137977/Intel-Core-i3-8130U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz

Ending that branch of discussion

 

[Bouowmx]

By the way, I know distributors and retailers receive the next round of Coffee Lake processors on 2018-02-14, but it seems awfully quiet from lack of pre-release hype from leaks?

 

[IntelUser2000]

By the way, I know distributors and retailers receive the next round of Coffee Lake processors on 2018-02-14, but it seems awfully quiet from lack of pre-release hype from leaks?

Could be that they are keeping the secrets quite well?

They don't have high end parts launching so it may be less of an interest to people involved in leaking the parts. Not only next round of Coffee Lake CPUs are supposed to release this week but,

Optane SSD 800P and Optane M10
300-series chipset(the real ones, not the rebrand called Z370)

It may be that in addition we could see mobile CFL release, and the QLC 660p SSD.

 

[jpiniero]

Yeah I would not expect any reviews of the new desktop parts.

 

[LTC8K6]

Kaby Lake Core i3-8130U: https://ark.intel.com/products/137977/Intel-Core-i3-8130U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz

Ending that branch of discussion

8th Gen Kaby Lake instead of 8th gen Coffee Lake.

Yet it has UHD620 graphics.

 

[ksec]

So am I Correct that ( Years are rough numbers )

Skylake 14nm 2015
Kabylake 14nm+ 2016
Coffelake 14nm++ 2017
Cannonlake 10nm 2018
Icelake 10nm+ 2019
Tigerlake 10nm++ 2020

Sapphire Rapid is a new uArch

God I am waiting for a awful long time to upgrade.

 

[IntelUser2000]

So am I Correct that ( Years are rough numbers )

Skylake 14nm 2015
Kabylake 14nm+ 2016
Coffelake 14nm++ 2017
Cannonlake 10nm 2018
Icelake 10nm+ 2019
Tigerlake 10nm++ 2020

Sapphire Rapid is a new uArch

God I am waiting for a awful long time to upgrade.

Icelake is a new uArch.

Sapphire Rapid is so far only for servers.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Sapphire Rapid is so far only for servers.

Sapphire Rapids is the new architecture. It has tentatively replaced Tigerlake, so ya. Server is last, Mobile/Desktop is first.

Everything up to 10nm++ has been canned. Cannonlake/Icelake has been replaced by Whiskey Lake and Tigerlake has been replaced by Sapphire Rapids. Cannonlake-X has been replaced by Cascade Lake-X, etc. Two year between Cascadelake and Sapphire, etc.

14nm++ to 10nm++, before hopping to 7nm-450mm.

//Whiskey Lake and Cascade Lake is the Ceder Mill of Core i. Cedar Mill to Yorkfield, skipping Conroe.

Cannonlake -> Kaby Lake-R/Kaby Lake-U(8th gen)
Icelake -> Coffee Lake-H/Coffee Lake-U
Tigerlake -> Whiskey Lake-U(OC-GT3(72EU)(Halo)-QC-GT2(40EU)(Standard)) / Cascade Lake-X
w/ Short delay to Sapphire Rapids, etc.

 

[mikk]

There are some news about Cascade Lake: https://imgur.com/a/JPS0a

Two important things:

- VNNI support
- frequency and architecture improvements

So it's not a simple 14nm++ refresh, they enhanced some CPU specific stuff. Ideally this is a CNL core on 14nm++.

 

[csbin]

There are some news about Cascade Lake: https://imgur.com/a/JPS0a

Two important things:

- VNNI support
- frequency and architecture improvements

So it's not a simple 14nm++ refresh, they enhanced some CPU specific stuff. Ideally this is a CNL core on 14nm++.

VNNI support？？ fake 😉



Ice Lake and later

https://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-architecture-instruction-set-extensions-programming-reference

 

[csbin]

BDW-DE Fake


Skylake Xeon D-2100 Launches February 7, 2018

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/int...capabilities-cloud-network-service-providers/

 

[DrMrLordX]

Cannonlake/Icelake has been replaced by Whiskey Lake and Tigerlake has been replaced by Sapphire Rapids.

So when Intel starts releasing Icelake CPUs, are you going to publicly eat crow and let us all watch?

 

[LTC8K6]

So when Intel starts releasing Icelake CPUs, are you going to publicly eat crow and let us all watch?

Nah, they are renamed Whiskey Lake chips...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Nah, they are renamed Whiskey Lake chips...

Whiskey Lake is nothing but a stopgap measure to replace Cannonlake in the laptop segment. We were supposed to see mobile Icelake by the end of 2018, but now maybe not until Q1 2019. But I'm reasonable confident that Intel will deliver Icelake, mobile first.

If Intel can't deliver Icelake at all then they are screwed. I honestly do not think matters have degenerated to that point.

 

[Lodix]

Don't expect Icelake until 2H of 2019. Unless they release it on "baseline" 10nm.

 

[jpiniero]

Don't expect Icelake until 2H of 2019. Unless they release it on "baseline" 10nm.

I still think the main issue is functional yield (but there are plenty of other issues, esp with regular 10) and that the two nodes are yielding at the same rate basically.

At this point I think it's Q1 for U/Y, Q2 for H and Q3 for S. Server is still up in the air.

 

[Lodix]

I still think the main issue is functional yield (but there are plenty of other issues, esp with regular 10) and that the two nodes are yielding at the same rate basically.

At this point I think it's Q1 for U/Y, Q2 for H and Q3 for S. Server is still up in the air.

They are not 2 nodes, 10+ is an improvement over 10nm. They normally take a 1 year to mature to get that improvements. If they can't manufacture 10nm now then it is wishful thinking expect Icelake on 10+ in early-mid 2019.