Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[LightningZ71]

They refer to it in a publication as an "embedded module" so it sounds like it's at least got some unique circuits, now, if that means that it's got its own functional unit, or has just had an adjustment made to both the microcode and some internal bits to make DL more efficient on their existing architecture, I'm not sure.

 

[beginner99]

They refer to it in a publication as an "embedded module" so it sounds like it's at least got some unique circuits, now, if that means that it's got its own functional unit, or has just had an adjustment made to both the microcode and some internal bits to make DL more efficient on their existing architecture, I'm not sure.

I read a blog I can't find anymore not too long ago that showed if properly tuned (which seemed to be hard, right compilers and settings) a Skylake-XP already beat a gv100 at inferenceing. So it might just be a thing to make use of the existing resources more easily.

 

[IntelUser2000]

or has just had an adjustment made to both the microcode and some internal bits to make DL more efficient on their existing architecture, I'm not sure.

Go on and read about Xeon Phi "Knights Mill". The changes are probably along that line.

I have a hunch that Cooper Lake is a DL-focused chip, and Icelake is the more general purpose server chip. That explains to me why it looks like there's a 6 month or less gap between the two.

 

[jpiniero]

You know, I was thinking... Intel is calling Whiskey/Amber still 8th gen but is calling Coffee Lake Refresh 9th gen. There's probably a reason for that... Seems pretty obvious that 9th gen mobile will be Comet/Ice, I wonder if that means the 2019 desktop will not include Ice and will either be Coffee Lake Refresh Refresh or skipped entirely and they will pull in Tigerlake for release in early 2020.

 

[IntelUser2000]

How do you know the Coffee Lake Refresh is called 9th Gen? Internal documents peg 9000 series as 8th gen.

Remember how HEDT was named? Sandy Bridge mainstream = 2000 series. Sandy Bridge HEDT = 3000 series. Ivy Bridge mainstream = 3000 series, Ivy Bridge HEDT = 4000 series. So on and so forth.

 

[mikk]

How do you know the Coffee Lake Refresh is called 9th Gen?

Do you refer to the destop refresh of Coffeelake?

 

[jpiniero]

How do you know the Coffee Lake Refresh is called 9th Gen? Internal documents peg 9000 series as 8th gen.

That would be weird if they did that. I guess it doesn't matter ultimately since they wouldn't call a theoretical Icelake Desktop part 9xxx now.

I'm assuming they will call the Skylake-X Refresh 8xxx and if Cascade Lake-X does get released 9xxx.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Do you refer to the destop refresh of Coffeelake?

Coffeelake refresh is only on the desktop. Whiskeylake and Amberlake gets replaced by Icelake.

It may be weird, but naming is entirely up to them. Can't glean much from names.

 

[mikk]

Coffeelake refresh is only on the desktop. Whiskeylake and Amberlake gets replaced by Icelake.

Exactly. Coffeelake refresh for desktop is called 9th Gen and Amber Lake/Whiskey Lake will be called 8th Gen.

 

[french toast]

Well, intel have confirmed cascadelake is using a 14nm version 'beyond' 14nm++, and that cooperlake will use another updated 14nm beyond that...so that is 14nm+++ for cascadelake and 14++++ for cooperlake.

Which sort of means coffeelake S refresh will also be 14nm+++...this could help explain the crazy clock speeds.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/08/19/intel-unveils-2019-and-2020-data-center-processor.aspx

 

[Dayman1225]

Ice Lake's media encode engine will have support for 10-bit extended color formats. - Ashraf Eassa on Twitter

 

[jpiniero]

Speaking of which, Ashraf also mentioned that he thinks (?) that Tinsley/Sapphire Rapids will be going straight to PCIe 5. Possibly also extends to Tigerlake. Would it be too early for DDR5 too?

Too lazy to look up the actual tweet.

 

[LTC8K6]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13204/an-interview-with-lisa-spelman-vp-of-intels-dcg-discussing-cooper-lake-and-smeltdown

IC: Ice Lake on the chart was shown for 2020, still two years away, but on 10nm. Can you say if that is 10nm or 10+?

LS: I think that’s just getting into a mess of naming things that doesn’t serve anyone’s interests.

So it's probably 10+

 

[Dayman1225]

Literally confirmed that back in Aug'17

Facepalm

 

[Markfw]

Literally confirmed that back in Aug'17

Facepalm

And where are they now ? and when are they supposed to be released ?? This is nothing new, and I am pretty sure due to the 10 nm problems, we will not see this until at least late 2019.

 

[jpiniero]

Literally confirmed that back in Aug'17
Facepalm

But given all the problems Intel has had, the process that Icelake ends up being likely isn't going to be the "10+" one anyway.

 

[Edrick]

And where are they now ? and when are they supposed to be released ?? This is nothing new, and I am pretty sure due to the 10 nm problems, we will not see this until at least late 2019.

Pretty sure it is now late 2020.

Cascade Lake (14nm) - Q4 2018/Q1 2019
Copper Lake (14nm) - Q4 2019/Q1 2020
Ice Lake (10nm) - Q3 2020 (as a fast follow up to Copper Lake)

And that all assumes Intel's luck changes.

 

[Dayman1225]

Pretty sure it is now late 2020.

Cascade Lake (14nm) - Q4 2018/Q1 2019
Copper Lake (14nm) - Q4 2019/Q1 2020
Ice Lake (10nm) - Q3 2020 (as a fast follow up to Copper Lake)

And that all assumes Intel's luck changes.

Intel claims holiday 2019 for "client"(Q4'19) and mid 2020 for server (Q2/Q3'20)

 

[Edrick]

Intel claims holiday 2019 for "client"(Q4'19) and mid 2020 for server (Q2/Q3'20)

"Client" meaning mobile U-series parts? I could see that perhaps. But anything Desktop, HEDT and Server will be well into 2020. Again, if everything goes smoothly from this point onward (which is not a given)

It painful to see Intel struggle so hard at 10nm, but at the same time, it has allowed competition to return to the market which is great for the consumer.

 

[jpiniero]

"Client" meaning mobile U-series parts? I could see that perhaps. But anything Desktop, HEDT and Server will be well into 2020. Again, if everything goes smoothly from this point onward (which is not a given)

U and Y only most likely; although there have been sightings of a 8+1 H model.

 

[french toast]

Cooperlake is mid 2019..only 6 months difference from cascadelake.
Edit; On closer inspection I got that wrong, icelake SP is middle of 2020..so only 6-8 months from cooperlake.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13204/an-interview-with-lisa-spelman-vp-of-intels-dcg-discussing-cooper-lake-and-smeltdown

 

[jpiniero]

https://www.semiaccurate.com/2018/09/11/intel-puts-out-another-14nm-2020-server-platform/

Charlie now claiming there will be another 14 nm server chip released in 2020. Since it's behind the paywall there isn't much to the story (plus it's Charlie) so it could be the AP product.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Charlie now claiming there will be another 14 nm server chip released in 2020. Since it's behind the paywall there isn't much to the story (plus it's Charlie) so it could be the AP product.

It could be Sunnycove.

Sunnycove & Skylake -> Whalecove & Icelake -> Oceancove & Alderlake

The cove cores are Intel's biggest cores. Sunnycove was before Soft Machines and Whalecove and Oceancove are both after.

 

[Dayman1225]

Charlie now claiming there will be another 14 nm server chip released in 2020. Since it's behind the paywall there isn't much to the story (plus it's Charlie) so it could be the AP product.

It aint a CPU lineup - its a platform. All I can say without giving away the whole thing.

 

[Edrick]

It aint a CPU lineup - its a platform. All I can say without giving away the whole thing.

Whitley?