lol, anyone? Seems like Nov. 4th will be here soon enough.so many people?
Wow.it seems like Dell would only do both of these things grudgingly, larger cases have to cost more in logistics and everything else, liquid cooling has to have more support overhead than air cooling:
Better to just preorder and cancel later instead of waiting and see what happens and risk not being able to get it until next summer lol. Look what happened to people that went wait and see mode for Ryzen 5000 series and Ampere gpusSurprised so many people are pre-ordering such an unknown entity. I don't think intel will be as constrained by shortages as AMD for obvious reasons.
Intel got pretty competitive pricing all around. They will probably be fine even with Zen 3D as long as they can supply well enough.You gotta give the Intel executives credit for being upbeat during the event. If it were me and I knew my CPU sucked compared to the competition, I would have real trouble keeping my feelings from impacting my facial expressions. It's funny that Intel has been playing catch-up for quite a while now. AMD will respond with 3D cache and then Intel will again be left without a proper response until the next generation.
Zen3 is specially sensitive to Cache size. You can see that on the 8C/16T APUs with half cache have lower IPC than the 5800X at same clocks, no only on games but on just about everythingMight depend on the game and how sensitive it is to memory latency. Especially if they are comparing 3200CL14 to 4400CL36.
I guess the question is at what point do you get diminishing returns, esp since the extra L3 has a power cost. Ultimately for that you will have to wait for reviews.Zen3 is specially sensitive to Cache size. You can see that on the 8C/16T APUs with half cache have lower IPC than the 5800X at same clocks, no only on games but on just about everything
It is bad, simple as that. Beaten by CPU that does not even have MC on same die as CPU. Expect horrible memory subsystem numbers on Nov 4. And those numbers will hold CPU back in everything that is not CB or cpu-z test.Well official specs are official specs. Which means 4800 for ADL on a MB with 2 slots and 4400 on a MB with 4 slots but only 2 RAM modules. Looks like the IMC in general is not that great.
Oh yes, I missed that slide, here it is:In respect of CML they state 12% better IPC for RKL and 19% on top of this for ADL, that make 33% from CML to ADL, yet the same slide say that the latter comparison is 28%...
From the numbers it seems that the eight E cores use 20% of the total power, wich mean a little less than 50W, that make around 190W for the P cores, so the design is not that inefficient, it s just over overclocked, litteraly.
Who knows really. The leaks seem really good though obviously memory speed is a big question.
And to compare against 241W 12900K 5950x should also have PBO enabled.Also..
"Intel shows showing the 12900K being anywhere from slightly slower than the Ryzen 9 5950X, to being 30 percent faster. However, Intel does admit that these benchmarks were captured on Windows 11 before the performance patch for AMD CPUs was available, so the results aren’t as meaningful as they would have been had they tested the 5950X in its best performing mode, such as using Windows 10 or waiting for the patch to be available"
Is this slide that says this?And to compare against 241W 12900K 5950x should also have PBO enabled.
They're using the 12900K to try and reach multi-threaded performance parity with the 5950x. Since the 12900k only has 8 performance cores and the 'e' cores are frequency limited, they have to jack up the performance cores as much as possible to try to take on the 16 core Zen 3 CPUs. This obviously leads to horrible power use/efficiency.Nov 4th. And yes, it looks bad to me. NOBODY is saying its efficient. The power usage is insane. The testing so far done without a patched OS ? And even Intel is not claiming it wins in anything..... YET
Stock AMD configuration. Switching PBO on makes power-use comparable between Intel and AMD, both will boost as high as thermals allow. 5950x should have about 5% more performance for that - it will be really close.Is this slide that says this?
Considering the monster that the 5950x is (see DC threads, beats 44 thread Xeons by 50%) I would guess a 5800x would be very competitive with the lower tiers. Lets see Nov 4th, but I wouldn;t bet a dime on them at this point. Not to mention, the power consumption on all levels is probably not good, it the top is that bad. Oh, and the 5600x probably is a little monster.....They're using the 12900K to try and reach multi-threaded performance parity with the 5950x. Since the 12900k only has 8 performance cores and the 'e' cores are frequency limited, they have to jack up the performance cores as much as possible to try to take on the 16 core Zen 3 CPUs. This obviously leads to horrible power use/efficiency.
I expect the lower core count SKUs to be much better products all around in their respective tiers.
Plus the crippled Windows 11 gimping the 5950X gaming performance, I suspect they will be about even with PBO and Windows 10 or a Patched Windows 11Stock AMD configuration. Switching PBO on makes power-use comparable between Intel and AMD, both will boost as high as thermals allow. 5950x should have about 5% more performance for that - it will be really close.
That s not that impressive, if you take a theorical 16 cores RKL at 14nm it would have 60% better MT perf at same power than a 8C RKL and barely 1/4 of the power at same MT perf.This looks promising and I would like the coming reviews to take a look at it.
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