Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Ajay]

I just showed you . . . you know what? Okay, fine, you win. Have a nice day!

Guess we're using different online dictionaries

 

[eek2121]

Intel does need to turn it around but, financially they are still doing well because AMD is so constrained on the production side. So Intel still has time on their side...for now.

Of course they do have time, but not much. Please listen to the earnings calls and understand what they are not saying. Typically earnings calls try to put as much of a positive spin on things as possible without actually lying to the point they will get called out. It's called marketing.

I hope I'm wrong and things will turn out great. I hold no loyalties and I'm a strong believer in their 10nm process because I know that Intel can really execute when it/they try. The question, of course, is whether they are trying or not.

 

[uzzi38]

On topic of "no point", i thought this was enthusiast forum, sorry, my mistake.
But lets stop these discussion right here, i was just commenting that for proper MT loads, there are way better CPUs to generate heat, ones that have 16+ cores. No need to beat dead 14nm "efficiency" horse any more.



I'd say anything above 200W is ridiculous already. If you are doing anything that is using >200W on desktop CPU you have to ask yourself if Threadripper or 3090 would not serve that workload better

Show me an example of a 5950X pulling 300W outside of under LN2.

Just one. Because I can tell you from experience of my own that is simply not possible without an all-core OC beyond what is stable under air or liquid cooling. You can't push clocks high enough for it.

 

[Kocicak]

Oxford dictionary knows only SPUN. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/spin_1?q=spin

 

[Zucker2k]

Oxford dictionary knows only SPUN. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/spin_1?q=spin

"Span" should deal with length, don't know how it relates to "spin."

 

[JoeRambo]

Show me an example of a 5950X pulling 300W outside of under LN2.

I can't seem to find it now, it was by forum member @detox and pulling very near 300w and he is definitely not on LN2.

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forums.anandtech.com

266W here, but I saw higher from him.

 

[coercitiv]

The two favorite subjects in Intel threads: grammar and AMD power consumption.

 

[DrMrLordX]

What do you mean, that he won?! There is no winning or losing. It is either correct or false.

It's off-topic and I'm not going to pursue the matter any further as a consequence. If you really want more context:

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/23404/which-is-the-correct-past-tense-of-spin-span-or-spun

Probably explains some of the confusion.

I hold no loyalties and I'm a strong believer in their 10nm process

Why? Intel is already four years late with a 10nm process that can reliably yield for profit. Even if they finally bring acceptable amounts of Tiger Lake 45h and Alder Lake to the table this year on 10SF or 10SFE, it only means that they finally accomplished a feat they were meant to accomplish in 2017.

At this point, Intel's entire 10nm process (and variants) are largely irrelevant. Even if Intel gets good performance AND yields, they're playing one node shrink behind a node TSMC released in 2020.

 

[JoeRambo]

The two favorite subjects in Intel threads: grammar and AMD power consumption.

Some people have trouble believing that when limits are removed, those high core count CPUs will chew 15+w per core.

 

[coercitiv]

Some people have trouble believing

ABT is a feature meant to enhance stock performance, aimed at average Joe as you promptly observed. It has zero in common with overclocked 16-core processors in enthusiasts' hands.

 

[JoeRambo]

ABT is a feature meant to enhance stock performance, aimed at average Joe as you promptly observed. It has zero in common with overclocked 16-core processors in enthusiasts' hands.

Wasn't that my claim? It is meant for casual stock. And if you have "heavy load" you are better off with high core count CPUs or GPU. Same 200-300W are better spent there, than CPUs pushed to their limits by manufacturers.

 

[Zucker2k]

ABT....

 

[lobz]

The two favorite subjects in Intel threads: grammar and AMD power consumption.

You forgot AMD prices, if ther're high. If someone dares point out when they are or were not, it gets immediately off-topic again, regardless of it merely being an answer to another post.

 

[eek2121]

It's off-topic and I'm not going to pursue the matter any further as a consequence. If you really want more context:

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/23404/which-is-the-correct-past-tense-of-spin-span-or-spun

Probably explains some of the confusion.



Why? Intel is already four years late with a 10nm process that can reliably yield for profit. Even if they finally bring acceptable amounts of Tiger Lake 45h and Alder Lake to the table this year on 10SF or 10SFE, it only means that they finally accomplished a feat they were meant to accomplish in 2017.

At this point, Intel's entire 10nm process (and variants) are largely irrelevant. Even if Intel gets good performance AND yields, they're playing one node shrink behind a node TSMC released in 2020.

It doesn't matter if it's late. AMD is still on TSMC 7nm, and Intel 10nm is competitive with TSMC 7nm. Yes, Intel screwed up, but they aren't that far behind. Now when AMD moves to 5nm it'll be a different story.

 

[Hulk]

The turbo modes are ridiculous. Intel should just say the 11900K will opportunistically clock these core(s) to these frequencies assuming adequate power and cooling. Do that across the product stack and just let us know the frequencies/cores it will go to.

Also too much "news" from Intel lately and not enough substance. It's starting to get very vapor-like. Lots of smoke... no fire.

The 11900K is starting to look very much like an "Emergency Edition" CPU.

 

[Det0x]

Show me an example of a 5950X pulling 300W outside of under LN2.

Just one. Because I can tell you from experience of my own that is simply not possible without an all-core OC beyond what is stable under air or liquid cooling. You can't push clocks high enough for it.

Atleast the performance somewhat match the power

If my 5950x can suck down 200watt or 300watt in a AVX workload dont matter all that much when the 3090 is eating 400-500watt all the time while gaming.
(5950x use ~150 watt in gaming)

 

[LP-ZX100C]

I don't if it's the proper venue but another Intel security is founded.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1373059799307390981

 

[DrMrLordX]

It doesn't matter if it's late. AMD is still on TSMC 7nm

At the time AMD introduced their latest N7 chips, Intel had Tiger Lake-U and nothing else to compete with it in 10nm. I don't really see how you can say that Intel is competing with AMD N7 chips with a full raft of Intel 10SF/10SFE chips (or even 10nm+).

I don't if it's the proper venue but another Intel security is founded.

We have a sticky thread for that.

 

[LP-ZX100C]

We have a sticky thread for that.

I'll move it there.

 

[mikk]

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videocardz.com

20% ST, 2xMT. Actually this is what Moore's Law Is Dead claimed 1 month ago.

 

[mikk]

TGL-H 45W:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1373247155985551365

 

[Hulk]

Exclusive: Intel 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake-S" platform detailed - VideoCardz.com

Intel Alder Lake up to 20% single-thread performance uplift We have received the first details on Alder Lake-S, the upcoming desktop and mobile platform from Intel. The slides confirm the most important aspects of the new architecture, including desktop and mobile platforms. First and foremost...

videocardz.com

20% ST, 2xMT. Actually this is what Moore's Law Is Dead claimed 1 month ago.

If that diagram is true scale then the Gracemont cores aren't much smaller than the Golden Cove. I'm wondering if "Skylake" level performance for the Little cores means Skylake cores.

 

[jpiniero]

20% ST, 2xMT. Actually this is what Moore's Law Is Dead claimed 1 month ago.

2x MT is unrealistic unless it's a workload that is severely memory bandwidth limited. It's not like you are getting any additional big cores.

 

[Timorous]

Exclusive: Intel 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake-S" platform detailed - VideoCardz.com

Intel Alder Lake up to 20% single-thread performance uplift We have received the first details on Alder Lake-S, the upcoming desktop and mobile platform from Intel. The slides confirm the most important aspects of the new architecture, including desktop and mobile platforms. First and foremost...

videocardz.com

20% ST, 2xMT. Actually this is what Moore's Law Is Dead claimed 1 month ago.

Upto 20% makes me think the average across a range of workloads will be a lot less.

 

[tamz_msc]

Upto 20% makes me think the average across a range of workloads will be a lot less.

Moreover it's upto 20% ST, not even IPC.