I was tempted to say that, but I think that would be wrong.I assume you mean to say 'respun'.
All of these various turbo modes is really unnecessary. Each part of the Rocket Lake stack basically runs at max programmed speeds if cooling is available. Intel should just state that and the max frequencies/core(s).Intel must be binning these i9 K CPU very very hard.
For static overclock it would be true ( and would crash in Prime95 AVX512 ). Intel's solution would be limited by amps and temps and CPU would downclock to stay within Intel defined limits.Oh and I just can't wait to see the power draw from a well-cooled 11900K running 5.1GHz all cores with a heavy load saturating all cores.
Bull. A 5950X will not use nearly that power. A 10980XE will not either unless overlocked to its limit.For static overclock it would be true ( and would crash in Prime95 AVX512 ). Intel's solution would be limited by amps and temps and CPU would downclock to stay within Intel defined limits.
But is it really relevant? During gaming it won't go above 100w, while having 5.1-5.3ghz clocks depending on workload. And those who love to heat their rooms with CPUs are better off with buying 10980xe or 5950x, both can do 300-500w when pushed, at least you have cores to show for it.
Really? On this very forum some members are using 300W on 5950 when pushed all core OC. Just cause CPU is efficient on stock, does not mean it is sipping 125W when overclocked on all cores.Bull. A 5950X will not use nearly that power.
There is no point to OCing a 5950X. Try again.Really? On this very forum some members are using 300W on 5950 when pushed all core OC. Just cause CPU is efficient on stock, does not mean it is sipping 125W when overclocked on all cores.
And you'd need a chiller to cool it at that sustained power.Bull. A 5950X will not use nearly that power. A 10980XE will not either unless overlocked to its limit.
On topic of "no point", i thought this was enthusiast forum, sorry, my mistake.There is no point to OCing a 5950X. Try again.
I'd say anything above 200W is ridiculous already. If you are doing anything that is using >200W on desktop CPU you have to ask yourself if Threadripper or 3090 would not serve that workload betterAnd you'd need a chiller to cool it at that sustained power.
A 5950X will use...143W of power.Bull. A 5950X will not use nearly that power. A 10980XE will not either unless overlocked to its limit.
Those are prohibitively more expensive. Thank you AMD. Also, desktop users generally don't need all those cores, yet demand all the performance they can get. Basically, AMD is maxing TSMC 7nm, while Intel is maxing its own 14nm. The consumption difference, outside of AVX is within ballpark of the efficiency delta between both processes.On topic of "no point", i thought this was enthusiast forum, sorry, my mistake.
But lets stop these discussion right here, i was just commenting that for proper MT loads, there are way better CPUs to generate heat, ones that have 16+ cores. No need to beat dead 14nm "efficiency" horse any more.
I'd say anything above 200W is ridiculous already. If you are doing anything that is using >200W on desktop CPU you have to ask yourself if Threadripper or 3090 would not serve that workload better
Yeah, and ZEN2 was already damn efficient, lets not discount them.Zen 3 is notable because it is the first CPU where AMD has Intel beat in single/multicore workloads while consuming 25-50% less power with twice the core count.
Once we remove laptops and professional workstations from equation, i think what is left are average consumer guys who mostly game, browse web and watch videos on their system.Both of those CPUs could render Crysis (The AT review says the 10900K can do a little over 6 FPS) but the 3090 would be several orders of magnitude faster. The 3090 probably sucks at compiling a Linux kernel though. The problem only exists if you narrowly define workloads to include things that are better done on some other piece of hardware.
It’s the past tense, which is spun. Using the present tense it would be 'respin'.I was tempted to say that, but I think that would be wrong.
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I was using past tense, so span/respan would be the proper conjugation.
Intel does need to turn it around but, financially they are still doing well because AMD is so constrained on the production side. So Intel still has time on their side...for now.A 5950X will use...143W of power.
Zen 3 is notable because it is the first CPU where AMD has Intel beat in single/multicore workloads while consuming 25-50% less power with twice the core count.
Intel really has to turn it around.
No, you are right, it's not really relevant. But we discuss "fringe" cases here and I am really curious how much power the 11900K can consume at peak load with proper cooling. Intel is pushing the boundaries with this part to be as competitive as possible and I'm looking forward to see what they consider "safe" limits for a consumer product that will have a long lifespan. Besides the curiosity part of it it also informs us of the reliable overclocking limits of the 14nm process (per Intel), which of course gives us insight to overclocking in general. Intel has to sell and warranty these parts.But is it really relevant? During gaming it won't go above 100w, while having 5.1-5.3ghz clocks depending on workload. And those who love to heat their rooms with CPUs are better off with buying 10980xe or 5950x, both can do 300-500w when pushed, at least you have cores to show for it.
Really? Also, my car goes infinite times faster while only consuming 100x the power.Yeah, and ZEN2 was already damn efficient, lets not discount them.
I have ML ( AI or whatever buzzword to call neural net driven algos is nowadays ) workload that i run on two system:
10900K 5.1Ghz static OC - runs ~170w
3950X 4.05 static undervolt - runs ~80w
They both complete the workload in same time, 10C vs 16C.
The problem? My 3090 runs order of magnitude faster while consuming 300W.
I just showed you . . . you know what? Okay, fine, you win. Have a nice day!It’s the past tense, which is spun. Using the present tense it would be 'respin'.
Guess we're using different online dictionariesI just showed you . . . you know what? Okay, fine, you win. Have a nice day!
Of course they do have time, but not much. Please listen to the earnings calls and understand what they are not saying. Typically earnings calls try to put as much of a positive spin on things as possible without actually lying to the point they will get called out. It's called marketing.Intel does need to turn it around but, financially they are still doing well because AMD is so constrained on the production side. So Intel still has time on their side...for now.