firewolfsm
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That looks like it's not a yoga? The hinge doesn't look flippable.
The Lenovo Yoga Slim 9i 14-inch laptop (known as Yoga Pro 14s in China and IdeaPad Slim 9i in North America) will start at €1899 (including VAT) and is expected to be available starting November 2020.4
OkiYoga 14s (i5-1135G7)
920 points in Cinebench R15 at 28W, basically zero drop off in following runs. 2345 points in Cinebench R20. The cooling performance is superb from what I can see. Two evenly matched fans, two really long heat pipes of the same size and a relatively big ventilation grill on the bottom. Playing PUBG at 30+ watts less than 70 degrees which is superb. One game he is playing the Soc can use ~40W and CPU goes up to ~70 degrees only.
Oki
Finally someone Who just copypasted the referencie system
Now we need premium display option with that cooling
New HP spectre maybe?
That's in the Slim Pro 7i - 2880x1800 / 90Hz / 100% sRGB / 400 nitsNow we need premium display option with that cooling
To be fair, its likely a FP16 vs FP32 comparison which will skew the results by 30-40% in favor of the mobile devices. It certainly is for 3DMark Night Raid.That Ryan Shrout guy whose tweet was linked above should be happy that Apple didn't release precise benchmark numbers for the M1. Anandtech just did for the A14, and things don't look so rosy for TGL.
As for the GPU, the A12Z already beats the Intel Xe in 3DMark Wild life (some blame Windows Vulkan drivers, but I don't buy that theory). And consider that the M1 is probably quite a bit faster than the A12Z.
I hope you are seeing the issue here. Remembrandt is going to be more than a year away. And the performance level of the Apple part is at ~10W.give me 16CU Navi2 Rembrandt / 2 GHz and LPDDR5/DDR5 as leaks claim and that M1 GPU wont be that interesting, it's just that amd has been using the same arch for 3 years... and it wouldnt get much bigger, not much further than 30-35 mm2 (@6nm, not even N5)
Yes, they are winning that race, if there is one. Apple gpu cores are really big, not very scalable but very power efficient. They are not the only one winning that race, qualcomm adreno gpus are GIGANTIC, each core has 512-768 ALUs, they definitly dont scale well but they are really competitive with apple in the performance per watt area. and they are also coming to notebooks. ARM mali G78 has a more scalable design, computer cores and executions engines, 2 FMA units per EE, 16 FP32 per cycle per FMA Unit. It can scale up to 24 computer cores. AMD and NVIDIA designs are focused on big gpus, 80 compute units or even more. two opposite worlds colliding.I hope you are seeing the issue here. Remembrandt is going to be more than a year away. And the performance level of the Apple part is at ~10W.
Last I heard, LPDDR5 is projected to scale to at least 8000MHz.I wonder how good LPDDR5X will be when developed to its fullest potential?
I’ve pointed this out before, but dual channel (quad really) DDR5 implementations can scale out to 100GB/sec with the JEDEC standard, and likely extend it further with higher speeds as it matures. That’s firmly in the territory of the EDRAM on the first XBox One, and also is similar to the RX550/560. That’s more than enough to feed a sizable iGPU implementation of RDNA2 and give excellent 1080p performance in mobile and desktop. On a laptop in the 15” and smaller range, that’s more than enough for all but the most hardcore players.
Why do you think they won't scale? It's a GPU. You put copies of them and it'll scale. Mali didn't grow because it didn't need to. Apple's M1 will because eventually it'll need to displace CPU and GPU in Macs.Yes, they are winning that race, if there is one. Apple gpu cores are really big, not very scalable but very power efficient.
GPU for compute sure, GPU for gaming is different. (See PS5 vs XSX, N10 vs V64). PC GPUs have way too much fixed function blocks, almost 35% of die size in N10 for example (then add mem controllers etc etc)Why do you think they won't scale? It's a GPU. You put copies of them and it'll scale. Mali didn't grow because it didn't need to. Apple's M1 will because eventually it'll need to displace CPU and GPU in Macs.
And what do you mean by big? Their GPU cores are extremely compact considering their performance.
It is fairly obvious why so much of delays. The glue is not ready.![]()
Intel Icelake Server Die Size & Floorplan Inefficiencies Revealed
This post was based on the assumption that XCC would be 42C. It is now revealed to be 40C. The various die sizes are slightly off, but much of the analysis within remains accurate with regards to t…semianalysis.com
First I had seen about Icelake Server's core counts and die sizes - the 16 core LCC is 370 mm2, the 28 core HCC is 505 mm2, and the 42 core XCC is 640 mm2. Wonder how many chips they can really get without having to cut down to like 6 cores.
The issue with Intel is that they are targetting for unrealistic clocks so the cores are too large. It's fine for gaming desktops but nothing else. It hurts them in servers and in laptops.First I had seen about Icelake Server's core counts and die sizes - the 16 core LCC is 370 mm2, the 28 core HCC is 505 mm2, and the 42 core XCC is 640 mm2. Wonder how many chips they can really get without having to cut down to like 6 cores.
Icelake-SP uses Icelake's 10nm process, not Tigerlake's 10nm SF.I imagine Intel's 10SF yields should be comparable to early N7 now, problem is, they have monolithic designs only.
Whats stopping them from shipping high volume 10nm server parts then?Monolithic isn't that big of an issue as Nvidia creates 800mm2+ dies.
The DOE just announced last month that the Aurora supercomputer slated to use Sapphire Rapids and Intel's 7 nm GPU would be delayed yet again and no new date was given for when it is expected to come online. It was originally speculated that it was due to the delay of the Intel 7 nm GPU but it's certainly possible that SR won't be ready either. That would push SR to some time in 2022 where it will be facing off against whatever AMD is cooking up with Zen4 using TSMC 5nm.Charlie is talking about another big Intel server delay: https://semiaccurate.com/2020/11/12/intel-delays-a-mainstream-server-platform-once-again/
What do we reckon- is Sapphire Rapids delayed?
Weren't there rumors that the end of 2021 was the drop dead date for Aurora? If not, perhaps the DOE should consider dropping Intel and going with AMD or nVidia/ARM.The DOE just announced last month that the Aurora supercomputer slated to use Sapphire Rapids and Intel's 7 nm GPU would be delayed yet again and no new date was given for when it is expected to come online. It was originally speculated that it was due to the delay of the Intel 7 nm GPU but it's certainly possible that SR won't be ready either. That would push SR to some time in 2022 where it will be facing off against whatever AMD is cooking up with Zen4 using TSMC 5nm.
Yes, there have been rumors that the DOE has basically forced Intel to present a backup plan where they will need to source components from other manufacturers (e.g. use other GPUs if Intel's weren't going to be ready) if they want to have a hand in Aurora at all. I don't think it's much of a secret that the DOE is pissed at Intel right now and if Intel can't deliver this time at all, it wouldn't surprise me if they don't scrap Aurora entirely as it currently exists and move to AMD/Nvidia/IBM/ARM.Weren't there rumors that the end of 2021 was the drop dead date for Aurora? If not, perhaps the DOE should consider dropping Intel and going with AMD or nVidia/ARM.
This deserves its own thread. To quote CharlieThe DOE just announced last month that the Aurora supercomputer slated to use Sapphire Rapids and Intel's 7 nm GPU would be delayed yet again and no new date was given for when it is expected to come online. It was originally speculated that it was due to the delay of the Intel 7 nm GPU but it's certainly possible that SR won't be ready either. That would push SR to some time in 2022 where it will be facing off against whatever AMD is cooking up with Zen4 using TSMC 5nm.
I would not say Charlie has been "accurate". More like the title of his rag "semi-accurate". He seem to go by the theory that if you spread enough FUD, some if it will come true.This deserves its own thread. To quote Charlie
" Don’t believe it, things just went off the rails again and the situation is beyond dire, Intel is out of the server game for the foreseeable future. "
Charlie has been doom and gloom when it comes to Intel for the past few years, but the problem is he's been accurate. He's been calling out Intel's 10nm delay for years now. If he's right about this one, and he's been accurate, Intel is about to totally flip server position markets with AMD. Remember when AMD had a 2% share? Wow...just wow...
They are struggling with 10nm process sure. It's not like their problem will be solved if they go for chiplets as long as the base process sucks.Whats stopping them from shipping high volume 10nm server parts then?
New processes always had the feature introduced in previous generations. Strained Silicon from 90nm, Hi-K from 45nm, FinFET from 22nm, its all there in 10nm. They are fundamental to enabling continued scaling. You need the previous steps to go up the next step.Are the new SF features also going to be found in Intel's 7nm nodes? Is it likely the first 7nm won't have the SF features?