Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[moonbogg]

Isn't Intel working on a complete revamp of X86 for post tiger lake chips? I read some new stories about it dated from last year. Supposedly leaner, faster and all that kind of stuff.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Wi-Fi and USB 3.1 according to digitimes.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170615PD208.html

So nothing interesting between the chipsets then, good for those getting Z370! Personally, I couldn't care less about those two features not being integrated.

What, no love for Pelican Lake?

LOL - pretty sure that's been canceled 😛

Time to update the naming. Too many lakes.

Yeah, we need to dive deep into creeks soon. I love a good creek!

Haha, it's all lakes for years and years to come. Some of them sound pretty cool, though, esp. in the 7nm generation 🙂

All I know is Tiger Lake which is supposed to be on 7nm right? Or is that 10nm++?

Isn't Intel working on a complete revamp of X86 for post tiger lake chips? I read some new stories about it dated from last year. Supposedly leaner, faster and all that kind of stuff.

Yes, with Ice Lake, to be succeeded by Tiger Lake. I am extremely curious about both, because they are a revamp.

 

[moinmoin]

Intel is drowning in too many lakes.

 

[jpiniero]

Isn't Intel working on a complete revamp of X86 for post tiger lake chips? I read some new stories about it dated from last year. Supposedly leaner, faster and all that kind of stuff.

Yep, but Sapphire Rapid is at least 3 years away. Stuff could change.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Yep, but Sapphire Rapid is at least 3 years away. Stuff could change.

WTH is Sapphire Rapid?? Chipset?

 

[jpiniero]

WTH is Sapphire Rapid?? Chipset?

What comes after Tigerlake. 7nm. Potentially anything could be removed in favor of whatever makes Amazon and Google happy.

 

[Bouowmx]

Why do you say that?

One thing I'd use 6-cores for occasionally would be video encoding. And that could take a long time, at full tilt. It'd probably throttle at all-core Turbo in short order, unless it was a custom build with some upgraded cooling or something.

In my experience, Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 on desktops runs indefinitely in real-world apps. The power limit (by default equal to TDP) is typically only reached using something like AIDA64 FPU test or Prime95 small FFT.
Another situation is simultaneously stressing the CPU and integrated GPU. After I raised power limit to 120 W, I ran Prime95 small FFT and FurMark on Core i7-7700, and CPU package power was 100 W.
Using stock cooler, CPU temperature at 100 W was also 100 C, although the chassis was ASRock DeskMini 110, not the most open chassis. Thermals won't be an issue at 95 W, if you consider not being an issue to be no frequency throttling.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

What comes after Tigerlake. 7nm. Potentially anything could be removed in favor of whatever makes Amazon and Google happy.

Is there any recent reference to this? Because I cannot find it (which could be just me).

 

[witeken]

Is there any recent reference to this? Because I cannot find it (which could be just me).

It was in a Lenovo roadmap, it is the first 7nm product. It's somewhere in my tweet history.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What comes after Tigerlake. 7nm. Potentially anything could be removed in favor of whatever makes Amazon and Google happy.

No. Sapphire Rapid comes after Ice Lake-SP in servers, but on client, the post-Tiger part isn't a rapid (nor is it a Sapphire, AFAIK).

 

[jpiniero]

It was in a Lenovo roadmap, it is the first 7nm product. It's somewhere in my tweet history.

Yeah. It mentioned "Ice Lake Refresh" which I take to be Tigerlake Server, which would match up with Intel saying that 10++ would be first for server.

In terms of performance, Icelake will probably have a token IPC improvement at best and Ice/Tiger clock speeds likely won't change much either at the higher end. It's pretty much EMIB and moar corez.

 

[jpiniero]

No. Sapphire Rapid comes after Ice Lake-SP in servers, but on client, the post-Tiger part isn't a rapid (nor is it a Sapphire, AFAIK).

At this point I'm almost wondering if Intel will even bother to continue to do mainstream cores. I guess they could shrink Tigerlake to 7 nm.

 

[formulav8]

That is unless Intel somehow manages to screw the pooch on either Coffeelake

They partially did that already by requiring a new socket/chipset for CL.

 

[formulav8]

It used to be rivers.

And those things that goes over rivers, called bridges. AMD/Intel comes up with some wacky naming conventions.

 

[Arachnotronic]

At this point I'm almost wondering if Intel will even bother to continue to do mainstream cores. I guess they could shrink Tigerlake to 7 nm.

They are doing mainstream cores still. There's a *lot* of lakes in the pipeline -- mainstream Core as well as Atom.

 

[Ajay]

At this point I'm almost wondering if Intel will even bother to continue to do mainstream cores. I guess they could shrink Tigerlake to 7 nm.

They need client CPUs, at the least, to keep wafer volumes up.

 

[Arachnotronic]

They need client CPUs, at the least, to keep wafer volumes up.

Yeah. I mean a lot of desktop and notebook computers get sold every year and Intel needs to have products to sell into those devices.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

They partially did that already by requiring a new socket/chipset for CL.

Yeah well, the socket forced march is par for the course as far as Intel goes.

 

[formulav8]

Yeah well, the socket forced march is par for the course as far as Intel goes.

Well, that just auto makes it proper then I guess, just because Intel has done it before?

People who bought KL this year should be happy about it, having no upgrade for their new, this year's released setup? Should people try to place blame on AMD, for basically CL happening this soon?

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Well, that just auto makes it proper then I guess, just because Intel has done it before?

Hell no! Just saying that fishes are going to swim, ya know 😉

 

[formulav8]

Hell no! Just saying that fishes are going to swim, ya know 😉

Misunderstood, sorry sir.

 

[mikk]

They are doing mainstream cores still. There's a *lot* of lakes in the pipeline -- mainstream Core as well as Atom.

LakeField and Mercury Lake for example.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I'm interested in the 6 core i7 that Intel will hopefully release at some point this year. Will replace my 4790k with that. Threadripper also interests me but I think that will be expensive.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

No. Sapphire Rapid comes after Ice Lake-SP in servers, but on client, the post-Tiger part isn't a rapid (nor is it a Sapphire, AFAIK).

Thanks for clearing that up. Is it known by what name the Tiger Lake successor goes?

OC3D owner Tom Logan said: Just as a parting gift, if youve read this far and youve watched the video thank you, if youre here to see if you need to buy the 7820X or for that matter any X299 as the basis for your gaming system we have one thing to say to you. Don't. In the grand scheme of things you either want to go and grab a Z270 /7700K based system or if you want a few more cores for occasional rendering and streaming then just go buy the Ryzen 1700. If you do buy AMD though don't turn into one of the mentalist fanboy keyboard warriors ruining the scene at the moment.

This kind of sealed the deal for me and makes me look at Coffee Lake-S 6C/12T for my gaming rig.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Thanks for clearing that up. Is it known by what name the Tiger Lake successor goes?

No worries. I don't believe the post-Tiger CPU codename has been leaked publicly yet.

This kind of sealed the deal for me and makes me look at Coffee Lake-S 6C/12T for my gaming rig.

CFL-S should be the best gaming CPU of this year, IMHO. Sky-X is awesome and I'm getting it, but CFL-S should be the best balance of threads/platform features/per-core perf.