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Intel Comet Lake Thread

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DrMrLordX said:
I guess if Intel can get enough people that are willing to replace 9900ks with 10900ks they'll be . . . okay. I just don't see it happening for a lot of people. The time to strike was December 2019, and they whiffed that by a country mile.
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There are allot of people who associate Intel and gaming excellence. Heck, I almost went with a 9900K, and I would have been happy. My 3900X just made more sense because gaming isn't my #1 priority (and I thought the 9900K was overpriced in light of the competition). So I'm sure ppl will buy the 10900.
 
Ajay said:
There are allot of people who associate Intel and gaming excellence. Heck, I almost went with a 9900K, and I would have been happy. My 3900X just made more sense because gaming isn't my #1 priority (and I thought the 9900K was overpriced in light of the competition). So I'm sure ppl will buy the 10900.
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When the 9900k came out in 2018, it was bar none the fastest non-HEDT desktop chip you could buy. That won't be true for the 10900k, and it might not be fastest in anything a few months after it launches.

It's still April 2020 and Comet Lake-S is nowhere to be seen.
 
DrMrLordX said:
When the 9900k came out in 2018, it was bar none the fastest non-HEDT desktop chip you could buy. That won't be true for the 10900k, and it might not be fastest in anything a few months after it launches.

It's still April 2020 and Comet Lake-S is nowhere to be seen.
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Yeah, but 5.2 giggle hurtz man! Seriously though, many gamers will just stop at the Intel name, others will see the high peak clocks speed (not even knowing it's TVB) and stop there, waving dollar bills. In the end, it's years and years of marketing. Companies spend allot of money on marketing; Intel did and does, there is a reason why. What I don't get is why people on this forum don't get the fact that intangibles sell?!
 
DrMrLordX said:
When the 9900k came out in 2018, it was bar none the fastest non-HEDT desktop chip you could buy. That won't be true for the 10900k, and it might not be fastest in anything a few months after it launches.

It's still April 2020 and Comet Lake-S is nowhere to be seen.
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Does seem like there are supply chain issues in general, likely related to the virus.
 
lobz said:
May I ask you, what on Earth are you talking about? It's around $350, $80 more expensive than a 3700X right now, which comes with a good cooler and has a MUCH higher base clock.
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Um i made this conclusion before the price was confirmed, was only interested if price was right but already sold on a 3700x/3900x. Not interested in anything Intel LOL.
 
jpiniero said:
Does seem like there are supply chain issues in general, likely related to the virus.
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I can see that being a problem preventing the projected April release. But April was already too late. Comet Lake-S made sense in December (sort of), or maybe January. April was ridiculous. Later than that is inevitable thanks to human malware. It will also delay the competition most likely.
 
jpiniero said:
Does seem like there are supply chain issues in general, likely related to the virus.
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No, the virus isn't involved this time I don't think. April-May time period for CML-S was rumoured late last year. Though I entirely forget who the source of that rumour was now, I definitely remember people thinking it was a CES release and I was telling them very late-Q1 to Q2 was more likely.

I think it was Sharkbay? Not sure :/
 
Wikipedia says the i5 comet lake will revert to 4 cores but with hyper-threading. That is not good. The 9600K had 6 core 6 threads.
 
Ajay said:
Yeah, but 5.2 giggle hurtz man!
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Not sure if this even still holds much now.
5.2Ghz and overclock it to what, 5.3Ghz? And having to do a tremendous effort to cool and stabilize it for just 100Mhz?

If i'm not mistaken i had my k6* 233Mhz OC to 400Mhz with little effort, and then the celeron 300Mhz to 450Mhz.
Which pathetically comparing with today cpus was a much better Mhz OC in 1997/99...

*Or was the K6-2, not sure.
 
RetroZombie said:
Not sure if this even still holds much now.
5.2Ghz and overclock it to what, 5.3Ghz?
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If you'll notice, Intel is using thermal velocity boost (TVB) to achieve those speeds. By default, the top-end Comet Lake-S chips will only hit speeds like that when TVB allows, which is going to be based on a different boost map than what they normally use for 14nm chips. The jury's still out on how often that will show up outside of ST benchmarks. My guess is that for any workload with 2-3 or more heavy threads, TVB won't be a factor at all. The jury's still out on whether it can boost any higher on even lightly-MT workloads than CoffeeLake-S configured for the same TDP.

What you're going to see are just higher TDPs.
 
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Well, if they are willing to put TVB 5.3 on the laptop models, you would think that all the K models (with a decent enough cooler) that a 5.2 or 5.3 OC on all cores should be doable. Sure it's only another 4-5% over the typical 5 Ghz OC on Coffee Lake but I guess it's something.
 
jpiniero said:
Well, if they are willing to put TVB 5.3 on the laptop models, you would think that all the K models (with a decent enough cooler) that a 5.2 or 5.3 OC on all cores should be doable. Sure it's only another 4-5% over the typical 5 Ghz OC on Coffee Lake but I guess it's something.
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5.3 GHz all-core is doable right now . . . but not with any existing boost map (not even PL2 210W on a 9900K/KS).
 
DrMrLordX said:
If you'll notice, Intel is using thermal velocity boost (TVB) to achieve those speeds. By default, the top-end Comet Lake-S chips will only hit speeds like that when TVB allows, which is going to be based on a different boost map than what they normally use for 14nm chips. The jury's still out on how often that will show up outside of ST benchmarks. My guess is that for any workload with 2-3 or more heavy threads, TVB won't be a factor at all. The jury's still out on whether it can boost any higher on even lightly-MT workloads than CoffeeLake-S configured for the same TDP.

What you're going to see are just higher TDPs.
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I'm not convinced we'll even see it in benchmarks.

(Sorry, I'm on mobile so it's easier to just link my own Tweet here)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248234945933443072

This is a 10875H laptop running R15. In other words; an SSE workload. AVX was only introduced in R20. This isn't even the max piwer a single core can draw.

34W on a single core... for 4.9GHz. This laptop in question couldn't hit EITHER degree of TVB on CML-H - not the 65 degrees threshold, nor the 85 degrees one.

You won't ever see that 5.3GHz on a laptop. Maybe on desktop if you've got a monstrous cooling setup, but never on laptop.

Not that that's stopping OEMs from being nuts on these laptops.
 
The 5.3 is more for those "desktop replacement" laptops that'll also include a 150 W GPU for instance.

IIRC the OEM has to enable TVB as well in order to hit the TVB frequencies.
 
Would be interesting to see if Intel could make a "green" processor again. I had some fun with a i5 8400t a bit ago, thing was more powerful then the 4670 before it yet passively could be kept under 60cel under a Tisis/ NH-D15 cooler. Friend now uses it, the dang perfect htpc chip honestly as that is what his rig is mainly being used for. That and folding since his 3gb 1060 is as useful to him as a 5th wheel on his cars. He has a slew of games yet never plays them and its not cause i am folding, i'm folding cause i don't let things just waste away i find purpose for them whenever possible.

Edit: would be nice to see more focus on good enough performance just insane performance per watt perhaps?
 
DrMrLordX said:
I'm skeptical about how long it will hold 5.2 GHz.
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