Intel Comet Lake Thread

[mopardude87]

Heh. The old custom loop builder in me would love to take a shot at overclocking that 10 core heat monster. Just don't have the dough to do it

Ah, makes sense lol. Yeah more into air cooling and some guarantee issue free operation. Even when i decided to overclock for the first time in over a decade and get extreme, the 7700k which is the first chip i overclocked since my Q6600 G0 well its a dud on this Z270. Utter trash, it can't even do 4.7ghz without insane voltage. The auto profiles work randomly as does half the junk on this motherboard. Be my last Asrock that is for sure lol.

Guess the point of that was that idk when i run stock, i deal with essentially no issues. I know the new AMD stuff is at top end on its clocks as is, those intel chips looking more like pentium 4 chips everyday as the clocks go up. I will admire the 9900k performance in gaming but meh as a folder i rather have the cores of like a 3900x any day.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta 560mm radiator. Push, pull?!

Might as well go for two.

 

[jpiniero]

I'm skeptical about how long it will hold 5.2 GHz.

TB3 is only two cores, so it should be good. All 10 is def going to take a 200+ W cooler.

 

[Ajay]

TB3 is only two cores, so it should be good. All 10 is def going to take a 200+ W cooler.

Probably 300+ watt cooler. Oh, wait - I don't think there are any consumer grade 300W coolers. So unless Tj is is 110C or something, it's going to throttle.

 

[RetroZombie]

Just don't have the dough to do it

If this intel cpus releases weren't so boring, believe me you would find all of it, the willing and the $$$

 

[jpiniero]

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GIGABYTE Z490 gets PCIe 4.0 In official marketing materials (which are under embargo) Gigabyte confirms that their motherboards are compatible with PCIe 4.0 devices, however, the functionally is limited. Gigabyte does not directly confirm what the limitation is, however, it is more than likely...

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Some Z490 boards do support PCIe 4, but it sounds like you will need Rocket Lake. Would be kind of funny that the reason boards get more expensive is due to PCIe 4, but you can't even take advantage of it.

 

[coercitiv]

Would be kind of funny that the reason boards get more expensive is due to PCIe 4

Power delivery seems the more likely candidate, ar at least just as important. Currents are likely going up.

 

[tamz_msc]

Well well, it looks like Intel pleasantly surprised us with the pricing on Comet Lake-S:

Intel 10th Gen Core (Comet Lake-S) Final Specs and Pricing leaked - VideoCardz.com

Intel has just confirmed the final pricing and specifications of its upcoming 10th Gen Core-S series. Update: We have added a presentation leaked by HD-Tecnologia. Intel Core i9-10900K: 10 cores, 488 USD and a new box Intel will formally announce the Comet Lake-S series on April 30. The new CPUs...

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The Core i5 10400F especially looks like a more compelling option compared to the Ryzen 5 3600 if it's actually priced at around $160. The Core i7 10700KF also looks good against the Ryzen 7 3800X. The only thing that's off is the i3s, there's no way these SKUs are competitive against the upcoming Ryzen 3 quad cores.

 

[Markfw]

Well well, it looks like Intel pleasantly surprised us with the pricing on Comet Lake-S:

Intel 10th Gen Core (Comet Lake-S) Final Specs and Pricing leaked - VideoCardz.com

Intel has just confirmed the final pricing and specifications of its upcoming 10th Gen Core-S series. Update: We have added a presentation leaked by HD-Tecnologia. Intel Core i9-10900K: 10 cores, 488 USD and a new box Intel will formally announce the Comet Lake-S series on April 30. The new CPUs...

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The Core i5 10400F especially looks like a more compelling option compared to the Ryzen 5 3600 if it's actually priced at around $160. The Core i7 10700KF also looks good against the Ryzen 7 3800X. The only thing that's off is the i3s, there's no way these SKUs are competitive against the upcoming Ryzen 3 quad cores.

Compelling is a word I only use after benchmarks.....

 

[tamz_msc]

Compelling is a word I only use after benchmarks.....

Given the specs we already have a rough idea where the performance of these chips is going to land.

The i7 10700K is basically a i9 9900K while being significantly cheaper, so it's going to be faster than both Ryzen 7s in games, while roughly matching them in other applications. Meanwhile the i5 10400F will roughly match the Ryzen 5 3600 in games and be very slightly slower(<5%) in applications, while being slightly cheaper after factoring for the cooler.

 

[OriAr]

Compelling is a word I only use after benchmarks.....

While waiting for benchmarks is a good idea, I think it's safe to say we have a good idea how a 6/12 SKL refresh will perform, plenty of data to guess it by.

The 10400F looks to be the sweet spot, especially for gaming. The 10700KF doesn't look too bad either.

 

[lobz]

Well well, it looks like Intel pleasantly surprised us with the pricing on Comet Lake-S:

Intel 10th Gen Core (Comet Lake-S) Final Specs and Pricing leaked - VideoCardz.com

Intel has just confirmed the final pricing and specifications of its upcoming 10th Gen Core-S series. Update: We have added a presentation leaked by HD-Tecnologia. Intel Core i9-10900K: 10 cores, 488 USD and a new box Intel will formally announce the Comet Lake-S series on April 30. The new CPUs...

videocardz.com

The Core i5 10400F especially looks like a more compelling option compared to the Ryzen 5 3600 if it's actually priced at around $160. The Core i7 10700KF also looks good against the Ryzen 7 3800X. The only thing that's off is the i3s, there's no way these SKUs are competitive against the upcoming Ryzen 3 quad cores.

1: people always forget the price of the CPU cooler for some reason
2: expect the current Ryzens to be a lot cheaper very soon

 

[coercitiv]

The Core i5 10400F especially looks like a more compelling option compared to the Ryzen 5 3600 if it's actually priced at around $160.

The R5 3600 already sells for ~$160, and keep in mind the 10400F will be limited by both frequency and power limits.

For example, notice how the 9400F was already saturating TDP even before enabling SMT.



I expect the 10400F to shine in gaming and little else, but it will be a much better value proposition than 9400F ever was. I use both i7 8700 non-K and i5 9400F and while they feel identical under light loads, I can see the i5 system slowing down faster in terms of responsiveness under heavy mixed workloads.

 

[tamz_msc]

The R5 3600 already sells for ~$160, and keep in mind the 10400F will be limited by both frequency and power limits.

I don't expect motherboards to adhere to those limits, so I don't think that what you say going to be a problem. The cheapest R5 3600 you'll find right now goes for $175, so the i5 is still going to be cheaper. Then you have the motherboards, a decent B450 goes for $100 while the lower end Z490s are supposed to cost around $150. So overall the Intel combo might end up slightly more expensive (by around $30), it's not as if you're paying that much extra for what is going to be superior gaming performance.

 

[lobz]

I don't expect motherboards to adhere to those limits, so I don't think that what you say going to be a problem. The cheapest R5 3600 you'll find right now goes for $175, so the i5 is still going to be cheaper. Then you have the motherboards, a decent B450 goes for $100 while the lower end Z490s are supposed to cost around $150. So overall the Intel combo might end up slightly more expensive (by around $30), it's not as if you're paying that much extra for what is going to be superior gaming performance.

Mark my words, the 3600 will come under the 10400F in price pretty darned soon, that's the first step AMD always takes, even when they're ahead. What I don't really understand is why would anyone buy a Z490 board with a 10400F.

 

[tamz_msc]

What I don't really understand is why would anyone buy a Z490 board with a 10400F.

Well that's the only option available right now for LGA1200.

 

[OriAr]

Mark my words, the 3600 will come under the 10400F in price pretty darned soon, that's the first step AMD always takes, even when they're ahead. What I don't really understand is why would anyone buy a Z490 board with a 10400F.

How low can it get though? Get too low and you are undercutting the R3s.
I don't think 3600 will get much cheaper at all, at least until Zen 3 comes in Q4.

 

[jpiniero]

Pricing is acceptable. Does show they might actually be serious about selling it.

 

[coercitiv]

The cheapest R5 3600 you'll find right now goes for $175, so the i5 is still going to be cheaper. Then you have the motherboards, a decent B450 goes for $100 while the lower end Z490s are supposed to cost around $150.

Amazon fooled me with R5 3600 pricing, but I had completely forgotten about the LGA 1200 issue.

Let's see how they end up on review day.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The Core i5 10400F especially looks like a more compelling option compared to the Ryzen 5 3600 if it's actually priced at around $160.

Nahhh the 3600 is only like $172. It's kind of a wash price-wise, and I expect the 3600 to be faster in a lot of things. Comet Lake-S is just CoffeeLake Refresh Refresh at low prices for most of the announced SKUs. If that's what you want then great.

Pricing is acceptable. Does show they might actually be serious about selling it.

Kinda makes me wonder about availability.

 

[lobz]

Well that's the only option available right now for LGA1200.

I find that hilarious

 

[Ajay]

I find that hilarious

Looking at some of the leaked z490 boards, it looks like mobo manufactures are making budget boards using that chipset. So, it will be a pretty much full stack offering, as far as I can tell now.
Not sure what OEMs will do to acquire super cheap mATX boards and the like, unless big OEMs are just planning on skipping CML.

 

[lobz]

It's still

Looking at some of the leaked z490 boards, it looks like mobo manufactures are making budget boards using that chipset. So, it will be a pretty much full stack offering, as far as I can tell now.
Not sure what OEMs will do to acquire super cheap mATX boards and the like, unless big OEMs are just planning on skipping CML.

I will still find it hilarious, because based on history, I expect some super-crappy budget Z490 boards, so while the 10400F doesn't benefit even a tiny bit from the Z490, you probably don't wanna buy a much stronger (by intel definitions that means very power hungry) CPU into a cheapo mobo later.

 

[mopardude87]

Pricing is acceptable. Does show they might actually be serious about selling it.

I am even sorta tempted to wait but idk for less currently i could jump onto a mature platform with a cheaper 12 threaded 3900x. Now about all that heat, did they get it under control or will the 10 core demand water? I am all about air cooling that is why as much as the 10 core Intel may appeal to me a slightly cheaper currently 3900x is more appealing. Your golden with a NH-D15 with that.

 

[Ajay]

It's still

I will still find it hilarious, because based on history, I expect some super-crappy budget Z490 boards, so while the 10400F doesn't benefit even a tiny bit from the Z490, you probably don't wanna buy a much stronger (by intel definitions that means very power hungry) CPU into a cheapo mobo later.

Well, as usual, people who don't read motherboard reviews pay the price. There are some really crappy x570 boards out there too. I'm often shocked that board manufacturers don't phase those boards out quickly - but a fool and his money are easily parted. Neither AMD nor Intel seem to be able to control their board partners.