Question Intel CEO says the industry should stop using benchmarks [PCGamer]

[randomhero]

Intel says the industry should switch from "benchmarks to the benefits" of tech

Oh, and Tiger Lake is still coming later this summer

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Really Intel



Well gals and guys, don't expect much from Intel's upcoming products.

 

[ultimatebob]

I would be careful to conflate a company's investment prospects with its technology.

Intel remains a solid investment because they are very investor-focused - they care more about returning good dividends and driving high EPS. And they are still seeing growth as well.

That does NOT mean they have better products, just more fiscally efficient products from an investor's point of view.

Making the assumption that because investors like Intel, that means their products must be good, is completely misguided.

Yup. AMD might have better desktop and server processors right now, but Intel is still currently the king of mobile processors at the moment. They probably sell more of those than they do of anything else. AMD will eventually surpass them in that space as well unless they get their act together, but it buys them time.

 

[Hitman928]

Yup. AMD might have better desktop and server processors right now, but Intel is still currently the king of mobile processors at the moment. They probably sell more of those than they do of anything else. AMD will eventually surpass them in that space as well unless they get their act together, but it buys them time.

Renoir already has surpassed Intel's best mobile chips in almost every way. . .

 

[ultimatebob]

Renoir already has surpassed Intel's best mobile chips in almost every way. . .

It's not really showing up in the popular product lines yet, though. If you get a new Macbook Pro or a Dell XPS, it's still going to have an Intel processor in it. My favorite laptop line has always been the Lenovo Thinkpad T series (although I'm mostly an Apple laptop user now), and those are all Intel powered as well.

 

[moinmoin]

It's not really showing up in the popular product lines yet, though. If you get a new Macbook Pro or a Dell XPS, it's still going to have an Intel processor in it. My favorite laptop line has always been the Lenovo Thinkpad T series (although I'm mostly an Apple laptop user now), and those are all Intel powered as well.

Fixed your previous post to reflect what you are now talking about:

Yup. AMD might have better processors right now, but Intel is still currently the king of OEM devices at the moment.

You are welcome.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Well, maybe I am wrong, we will see. This has to be to most insane statement out out Intel, or any other major manufacturer I have ever seen.

I partially agree with their statement, however the evidence is firmly anti-intel.

I have a highly overclocked 5960x with super tweaked ram and high end NVM-e drives. After the Spectre and meltdown firmware and software patches came out, my system is horrifically and inconsistently stuttery and laggy just opening folders, launching applications, etc.

I have been able to run no benchmarks to show this newfound lack of snappiness - before the SHTF, it was magically fast and responsive. Almost as if the computer started doing what you asked before you even asked for it.

Given I can't prove any of this via benchmarks but it's incredibly obvious from a user experience standpoint, I think it would be a great idea for reviewers to include a section about user experience. However, I do not agree this should replace benchmarks, but compliment them.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I partially agree with their statement, however the evidence is firmly anti-intel.

I have a highly overclocked 5960x with super tweaked ram and high end NVM-e drives. After the Spectre and meltdown firmware and software patches came out, my system is horrifically and inconsistently stuttery and laggy just opening folders, launching applications, etc.

I have been able to run no benchmarks to show this newfound lack of snappiness - before the SHTF, it was magically fast and responsive. Almost as if the computer started doing what you asked before you even asked for it.

Given I can't prove any of this via benchmarks but it's incredibly obvious from a user experience standpoint, I think it would be a great idea for reviewers to include a section about user experience. However, I do not agree this should replace benchmarks, but compliment them.

If you are using it at home, there is little reason to worry about any of the exploits. You can use https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm to turn them off and regain most of that lost performance.

 

[lobz]

Yup. AMD might have better desktop and server processors right now, but Intel is still currently the king of mobile processors at the moment. They probably sell more of those than they do of anything else. AMD will eventually surpass them in that space as well unless they get their act together, but it buys them time.

You must have been sleeping in the entire first 5 months of 2020. Renoir launched and Intel is not the king of mobile processors anymore. They sell more than AMD from EVERYTHING, while being technically left behind. Mobile is no exception.

 

[Markfw]

You must have been sleeping in the entire first 5 months of 2020. Renoir launched and Intel is not the king of mobile processors anymore. They sell more than AMD from EVERYTHING, while being technically left behind. Mobile is no exception.

Don't forget HEDT, AMD rules that as well. And most likely when Zen 3 comes out, they will rule gaming, their last bastion of performance.

 

[reb0rn]

If you are using it at home, there is little reason to worry about any of the exploits. You can use https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm to turn them off and regain most of that lost performance.

I did that long time ago, then started to get random BSOD, enabled patches and issue with BSOD stopped ...

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

If you are using it at home, there is little reason to worry about any of the exploits. You can use https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm to turn them off and regain most of that lost performance.

I'm looking into that, but my point is some things that can be blatantly obvious to someone using the system may be difficult to measure with benchmarks.

 

[rbk123]

You must have been sleeping in the entire first 5 months of 2020. Renoir launched and Intel is not the king of mobile processors anymore.

He wasn't sleeping and no doubt he's aware of Mark's comment on HEDT. He was talking about product availability/sales. He knows Renoir is the superior mobile CPU however the mobile products with Intel inside far outnumbers the mobile products with AMD inside. And the HEDT as well. Having the superior product doesn't do any good if few are selling it or few are buying it (HEDT).
That needs to change before Intel recovers and isn't so far behind.

 

[ultimatebob]

You must have been sleeping in the entire first 5 months of 2020. Renoir launched and Intel is not the king of mobile processors anymore. They sell more than AMD from EVERYTHING, while being technically left behind. Mobile is no exception.

AMD might have the fastest mobile processors now, but it doesn't really matter if you can't buy a laptop with one installed from your favorite manufacturer. This isn't like desktop gaming PC's, where you can easily build your own from with parts from Newegg or Amazon.

My wife's new laptop has a Ryzen 5 processor in it, but it's a lower cost plastic case model. If I want something sturdier like a Macbook Pro or Lenovo T series, those are still all Intel based.

 

[lobz]

AMD might have the fastest mobile processors now, but it doesn't really matter if you can't buy a laptop with one installed from your favorite manufacturer. This isn't like desktop gaming PC's, where you can easily build your own from with parts from Newegg or Amazon.

My wife's new laptop has a Ryzen 5 processor in it, but it's a lower cost plastic case model. If I want something sturdier like a Macbook Pro or Lenovo T series, those are still all Intel based.

It's absolutely settled for me, I just tend to react posts as I read them, and many times they're already answered / resolved over the next pages - or sometimes even the next few posts

 

[ultimatebob]

It sounds like Apple is going to start making their own ARM based processors in 2021, so I doubt that we'll ever see a Mac product with a AMD processor in it.

 

[Atari2600]

Benchmarks say the industry should stop using Intel...

 

[ondma]

It sounds like Apple is going to start making their own ARM based processors in 2021, so I doubt that we'll ever see a Mac product with a AMD processor in it.

Link? If true, just goes to prove what I have been saying all along about all the "Intel cant compete with Apple" bashing. Apparently AMD cant either.

Edit: this rumor has been circulating for years. I remain skeptical until there is an official announcement from Apple.

 

[Thala]

It sounds like Apple is going to start making their own ARM based processors in 2021, so I doubt that we'll ever see a Mac product with a AMD processor in it.

Hopefully one can install Windows/Linux on it and is not stuck with OSX. On the other hand i doubt, that Apple will provide Windows or Linux drivers.

 

[jpiniero]

Hopefully one can install Windows/Linux on it and is not stuck with OSX. On the other hand i doubt, that Apple will provide Windows or Linux drivers.

OSX is pretty unixy so Linux is kind of redundant. I could see Apple supporting Windows on ARM, if there was any demand.

 

[Thala]

OSX is pretty unixy so Linux is kind of redundant.

Not really, that gap is quite big between a Linux Kernel and a Machos Kernel.

 

[aigomorla]

next is gonna be AMD Lisa Su says WPrime is pointless.

 

[DrMrLordX]

next is gonna be AMD Lisa Su says WPrime is pointless.

Depends, when was the last time that anyone updated wprime? Might as well come out as say that SuperPi mod 1.5 xs is pointless.

 

[aigomorla]

Might as well come out as say that SuperPi mod 1.5 xs is pointless.

actually i was thinking of that, and got Wprime confused. lol...

 

[DrMrLordX]

actually i was thinking of that, and got Wprime confused. lol...

Heh! Either or, at this point they're both mostly deprecated except for hwbot

 

[coercitiv]

Well, it was fun while it lasted: Intel faces criticism for comparing gaming laptops with different GPU models

At least we're back to the type of content AdoredTV knows to shine with:

And for this slide Intel's marketing appear to have read... a book.

 

[tamz_msc]

Well, it was fun while it lasted: Intel faces criticism for comparing gaming laptops with different GPU models

At least we're back to the type of content AdoredTV knows to shine with:

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I see nothing wrong with comparing different laptop models at different prices even if they have different GPUs. If someone is after performance then he/she will choose whats faster and cheaper. In the comparisons Intel made, they're just that.

Maybe AMD should focus on getting GPUs faster than a 2060 max q into their laptop models.