Discussion Intel bringing back 22nm Haswell CPUs in face of 14nm shortages

[PingSpike]

14-nm-Lieferprobleme: Intel reanimiert 22-nm-Haswell-Prozessor

Intel reanimierte heute einen sechs Jahre alten 22-nm-Prozessor. Der Grund dürfte in den eklatanten 14-nm-Lieferproblemen liegen.

www.computerbase.de

Its in German. Apparently they're bringing back limited 22nm haswell processors for the low end since 14nm is constrained.

Aside from the obvious joke that Intel is literally going backwards now, I have a lot of questions about this:
Are they bringing back the old chipsets? Are they still using DDR3? Or is this some tweak on the old process to get it running on new chipsets and using DDR4? Or are you going to require one of the rare skylake to coffeelake era boards that support DDR3?

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[Charlie22911]

It's corporate bloatware, my work machine has the same problem.

My money is on this one too, or maybe you have the power saver plan selected. Or a combination of the two, or maybe I’m totally wrong.

 

[lobz]

My money is on this one too, or maybe you have the power saver plan selected. Or a combination of the two, or maybe I’m totally wrong.

No power plan causes that much of a slowdown, so bloatware it is. And right there, there is it again, where you guys won't convince me, that when all is equal, 'IPC and frequency' will do better in the situation than more threads.

 

[geokilla]

Well I'll be damned.

I had a similarly specced PC at my previous job and it pretty much flew all day from when I pressed the power button. I literally couldn't throw anything at it that would slow it down. Something has to be amiss somewhere. I suggest a fresh install of Windows 10, install all updates, most current drivers, etc.

No ways should that be slow.

If it wasn't locked down by IT I would have done that in a heartbeat... Even opening Internet Explorer takes anywhere from 10 seconds to 3 minutes. Yes our corporation's websites are IE only.

 

[Thunder 57]

Haswell has ~%5 less IPC than Skylake. It's a perfectly viable core that Intel has failed to deprecate, so of course it's still a usable product. Are Sandy and Ivy all that different?

No AVX2. That alone makes them non-starters IMO.

 

[A///]

I'd worry more if Intel began to resurrect mainstream Haswell or similar to see to businesses. That wouldn't be a good look.

 

[potato masher]

I don't get the hangup on nm... let the market decide. All my junk is older than this and it does what I need fine. I guess what sales is going to hinge on is what they charge for this vintage stuff.

Honestly for a lot of users out there even a g2030 or g860 would get it well done. Emails Facebock eebay and amz.. Not everybody out there is a powr user.

 

[Roland00Address]

No AVX2. That alone makes them non-starters IMO.

The people who are buying them do not care about AVX2, think embedded but not literally embedded running specific code like a point of sales and maybe 1 or 2 other things. The people who want more are not caring for this is EOL hardware but Intel is fine with making the EOL hardware last longer if customers that are business are willing to pay.

Individual Customers such as "Consumers" will not be getting 4th Gen Intel, everything is at least 6th gen and most of it is 8th gen or newer. Even if it is a lowly celeron, pentium, or i3.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Maybe it’s just more cost effective for those very limited uses, since the board design is a bit simpler/cheaper due to fivr Haswell has.

 

[potato masher]

I look at this like modern cell phones... every couple years there used to HUGE advancements in tech so that the consumer could see their 2 year old cell as inferior in all ways to the new release. Now days people keep their cells longer because even a 2 year old phone isn't much different than a new one.

Same with processors, they have advanced to the point now where most regular folks can get by just fine with an older processor. Where as maybe before every 4 years they would want an upgrade, now even a 8 year old system is acceptable to them. Which if its the case is fine by me.. more yrs life = less pcb trash.