News Intel Bartlett Lake-S: up to 12P-Core or up to 8P-Core +16E-core

[511]

It's an N3 freebie deal. Like .66x chip scaling means you get to stuff more cores while maintaining the same ~70-80mm^2 CCD area.

It's more like 1.3X Chip densit so about 0.76x

 

[adroc_thurston]

It's more like 1.3X Chip densit so about 0.76x

More, remember that the CCD has about squat in analog shoreline.

 

[511]

More, remember that the CCD has about squat in analog shoreline.

but there is 0 gains in sram for N3P/E

 

[jpiniero]

but there is 0 gains in sram for N3P/E

You know, that would be nice if Bartlett Lake was fabbed at N3E.

 

[511]

You know, that would be nice if Bartlett Lake was fabbed at N3E.

I would be fine with Intel 3 as well

 

[Kosusko]

Intel Unveils Bartlett Lake-S CPU Lineup Intended For Edge Applications​

source: https://wccftech.com/intel-arrow-lake-s-non-k-desktop-cpus-bartlett-lake-s-cpu-lineup-for-edge/

 

[Hulk]

Intel Unveils Bartlett Lake-S CPU Lineup Intended For Edge Applications​

source: https://wccftech.com/intel-arrow-lake-s-non-k-desktop-cpus-bartlett-lake-s-cpu-lineup-for-edge/

I don't know I just can't seem to get excited about this. Unless the price is amazing you can get 12 more performant Zen 5 cores on a newer, more efficient node.
So is this Raptor Lake Refresh Refresh?
Or should we call it Golden Cove+++

 

[jpiniero]

So is this Raptor Lake Refresh Refresh?
Or should we call it Golden Cove+++

I don't believe there have been any rumors on improvements other than AVX-512 possibly being re-enabled.

 

[igor_kavinski]

All I see is some embedded CPU called 251E. Is this Bartlett Lake???

 

[SteinFG]

Currently only 8+16 bartlett lake is launched (RPL basically).

 

[igor_kavinski]

Rats! How much longer, Intel???

 

[DrMrLordX]

Rats! How much longer, Intel???

Q3 2025?

 

[coercitiv]

Rats! How much longer, Intel???

Intel: we're not making these for consumers, Igor. Stop listening to fake leakers and clickbait sites. Over to you, Steve!

 

[Thunder 57]

Intel: we're not making these for consumers, Igor. Stop listening to fake leakers and clickbait sites. Over to you, Steve!

There have been a few looking for 12+0 Bartlett Lake. Whether that materializes, who knows.

 

[coercitiv]

There have been a few looking for 12+0 Bartlett Lake. Whether that materializes, who knows.

They're making them eventually, but their prime purpose will be industrial applications. We may not even see them available for consumers through regular DYI channels, they may end up at OEMs.

I'd love to see the 12P benchmarked today against 8+16 in consumer workloads, I've been yapping my mouth since before Alder Lake that hybrid on consumer desktop makes little sense. It's all academic though, Arrow Lake will still be the better consumer choice in 2025 for people wanting to buy Intel.

 

[Win2012R2]

their prime purpose will be industrial applications

Our of interest - why is that?

 

[jpiniero]

I was thinking Xeon E in general. Also if they can't fix Arrow Lake's gaming performance, K parts make sense.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Our of interest - why is that?

Realtime OSes I suspect. You want performance determinism there. Don't want your expensive robot missing a beat just coz the critical application got scheduled onto an E-core.

 

[Win2012R2]

critical application got scheduled onto an E-core.

Yes get that, I was wondering more about why specifically 12 core would be that needed, won't 8 cores do just fine?

 

[jpiniero]

Yes get that, I was wondering more about why specifically 12 core would be that needed, won't 8 cores do just fine?

Hence the rumor of AVX-512 being re-enabled.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yes get that, I was wondering more about why specifically 12 core would be that needed, won't 8 cores do just fine?

Maybe the robots are getting super complex these days. Too many moving parts and calculations.

 

[Wolverine2349]

I don't know I just can't seem to get excited about this. Unless the price is amazing you can get 12 more performant Zen 5 cores on a newer, more efficient node.
So is this Raptor Lake Refresh Refresh?
Or should we call it Golden Cove+++

Yeah but they are dual ccx/ccd which sucks.

If there is really a 12 p core bartlett lake it would be one ring no scheduling issues. It would be awesome and would replace 9800x3d but sadly I do not think it's happening.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Maybe the robots are getting super complex these days. Too many moving parts and calculations.

12 cores 24 threads with Raptor Cove IPC on a single die dream come true. Why max out at 8 cores. The few games that benefit from 16 threads more headroom and ones that go more you got a winner if it actually comes.

 

[Hulk]

Yeah but they are dual ccx/ccd which sucks.

If there is really a 12 p core bartlett lake it would be one ring no scheduling issues. It would be awesome and would replace 9800x3d but sadly I do not think it's happening.

So a 12 core Bartlett Lake is going to be more performant than a 9900X?

 

[Thunder 57]

Unlikely. But that is Wolverine's wet dream.