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Wolverine2349

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*Some* consoles are, but unless it's designed as an exclusive for a particular console most multi-plat engines are scaled up from the weakest platform.

The PS5 and XBOX Series S/X which have been out almost 4 years since November 2020 are both 8 cores and 16 threads Zen 2 CPUs.

The consoles not 8 cores and 16 threads are the near 11 year old PS4 and XBOX One which are like end of life now and have been for a couple of years at least.
 

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The PS5 and XBOX Series S/X which have been out almost 4 years since November 2020 are both 8 cores and 16 threads Zen 2 CPUs.

The consoles not 8 cores and 16 threads are the near 11 year old PS4 and XBOX One which are like end of life now and have been for a couple of years at least.
At least series x gives a possibility to use smtcpu @ 3.6ghz or without smt and 3.8ghz. Which operating mode is more popular?
 
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At least series x gives a possibility to use smtcpu @ 3.6ghz or without smt and 3.8ghz. Which operating mode is more popular?
I never knew that!

WHAT???

Curious to know why Microsoft would expose this option. It makes testing games twice as hard (one set of testers testing with SMT and other without SMT). Also, some games may only have been developed for the higher frequency so they might tell the user at startup to turn SMT off. Does the SMT on/off switch require a restart or is it somehow dynamic?

WOW. That's the single best crazy bit of console info I've ever heard!

@SteveGrabowski , know anything about this?
 

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I never knew that!

WHAT???

Curious to know why Microsoft would expose this option. It makes testing games twice as hard (one set of testers testing with SMT and other without SMT). Also, some games may only have been developed for the higher frequency so they might tell the user at startup to turn SMT off. Does the SMT on/off switch require a restart or is it somehow dynamic?

WOW. That's the single best crazy bit of console info I've ever heard!

@SteveGrabowski , know anything about this?
It's set by the game developers I thought. So it wouldn't require more testing. Just ship whatever you tested.
 

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I never knew that!

WHAT???

Curious to know why Microsoft would expose this option. It makes testing games twice as hard (one set of testers testing with SMT and other without SMT). Also, some games may only have been developed for the higher frequency so they might tell the user at startup to turn SMT off. Does the SMT on/off switch require a restart or is it somehow dynamic?

WOW. That's the single best crazy bit of console info I've ever heard!

@SteveGrabowski , know anything about this?
This hardware level config is a game-specific option set by the devs as part of profiling and optimizing for the console. It's not end user exposed.
 
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It's set by the game developers I thought. So it wouldn't require more testing. Just ship whatever you tested.
But then it has to be dynamic SMT or the OS prevents scheduling of threads on the virtual cores to allow the physical ones to boost higher.
 

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Bartlett lake is not using new core. It's a 12-core raptor lake chip with no e-cores. It's 12c/24t because raptor cove has HT enabled
 
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They could always release a 32 core Skymont on LGA1700.

Backporting that to Intel 7 should be easier than doing the same for Lion Cove.
 

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Appears Zen 6 may be 12 core CCDs. Though hopefully on one CCX and then we are on.

Though 2 years at least wait as late 2026 or early 2027 per rumors only a week or so ago.
 
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48:46

Appears Zen 6 may be 12 core CCDs. Though hopefully on one CCX and then we are on.

Though 2 years at least wait as late 2026 or early 2027 per rumors only a week or so ago.
Sounds great, but would they have to give up per core performance (i.e. make the cores smaller/omit features/sacrifice IPC) to squeeze 12 cores into one CCD? I dont know what process Zen 6 is on, and how much it will increase the transistor budget without increasing die size.