Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
look, none of us said that intel is superior. AMD is just a *better buy* now. it probably will be for some time. sure, that may be a good value system for intel, but im sure you can just switch out the intel cpu, mobo and memory for all amd. and all your prices and such, those are all MIRs im sure. yeah, it is, so you're going to pay full price to begin with and HOPE that all the rebates come in.
ugh, dont go around saying ____ is the best. each company has their pros and cons. intel has a higher OCing potential (as ive seen at sites) while amd has much lower heat output. crap like that.
and stop posting crap like this. makes me so irritated.
Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
Looks promising to me Any other words of wisdom you'd like to dispense?Originally posted by: Markfw900
And how do you know that ? seen any reviews that OC;ed one ? just because its 65nm, doesn;t mean squat. I will (and have about Yonah) say good things about Intel when you can buy them, and for a reasonable price, and they perform, and aren;t a space-heater like my 820D.Originally posted by: JohnAn2112
Man, there can never be an Intel thread without somebody mentioning how AMD is superior. :roll:Originally posted by: Markfw900
Fine... You buy that, and we will stck to the X2, then we can benchmark with you and our one year old chips. Want to bet on the outcome ?Originally posted by: secretanchitman
2x2MB cache. it'll be good, and plus it has great OCing potential.
Nobody mentioned that it's going to be better than an X2. He just mentioned that it'll have great OC potential.
Originally posted by: Betwon
At 32-bit, the float point performance of PD820 is better than Opteron@2G/L2 2M.Intel is superior:
SPECfp_rate_base2000
Pentium D 820@2.8G -------- 29.9
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G320 (2.8 GHz Intel Pentium D 820)/4 x 1024MB ECC DDR2-667 Unbuffered SDRAM
Opteron@2200 ------------------only 28.6
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G5350 (2.2GHz, Dual-Core AMD Opteron (TM) 275 , 2x1MB L2)/4 x 1024MB, DDR400 CL3 ECC
SPEC numbers usually paint Intel chips in a more favorable light than real-life apps because the compiler they use for SPEC is highly optimized for their own chips (I think they even use different switches depending on which family of chips is used). With that said, there's nothing to say that AMD has to use Intel's compiler, they're free to use whichever one they please.Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: Betwon
At 32-bit, the float point performance of PD820 is better than Opteron@2G/L2 2M.Intel is superior:
SPECfp_rate_base2000
Pentium D 820@2.8G -------- 29.9
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G320 (2.8 GHz Intel Pentium D 820)/4 x 1024MB ECC DDR2-667 Unbuffered SDRAM
Opteron@2200 ------------------only 28.6
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G5350 (2.2GHz, Dual-Core AMD Opteron (TM) 275 , 2x1MB L2)/4 x 1024MB, DDR400 CL3 ECC
Hmmm...could that be another point on how the Intel compiler effects the AMD chips?
For example, the Sunfire X2100 has the same configuration but uses the Sun compiler.
SPECfp_rate_base2000 = 31.6
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
SPEC numbers usually paint Intel chips in a more favorable light than real-life apps because the compiler they use for SPEC is highly optimized for their own chips (I think they even use different switches depending on which family of chips is used). With that said, there's nothing to say that AMD has to use Intel's compiler, they're free to use whichever one they please.Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: Betwon
At 32-bit, the float point performance of PD820 is better than Opteron@2G/L2 2M.Intel is superior:
SPECfp_rate_base2000
Pentium D 820@2.8G -------- 29.9
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G320 (2.8 GHz Intel Pentium D 820)/4 x 1024MB ECC DDR2-667 Unbuffered SDRAM
Opteron@2200 ------------------only 28.6
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G5350 (2.2GHz, Dual-Core AMD Opteron (TM) 275 , 2x1MB L2)/4 x 1024MB, DDR400 CL3 ECC
Hmmm...could that be another point on how the Intel compiler effects the AMD chips?
For example, the Sunfire X2100 has the same configuration but uses the Sun compiler.
SPECfp_rate_base2000 = 31.6
I don't think they'll be terrible, the Presler chip AT reviewed hit 4.25 GHz on stock cooling with a 3.4 GHz ES chip. I don't think I'd buy one, but I wouldn't immediately dismiss them off-hand either.Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
All I have to say is that anyone who jumps in on Intel's first gen 65nm chips is a moron. Not enough improvements for the money and lack of performance. I'm waiting for Conroe/Merom personally.
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I don't think they'll be terrible, the Presler chip AT reviewed hit 4.25 GHz on stock cooling with a 3.4 GHz ES chip. I don't think I'd buy one, but I wouldn't immediately dismiss them off-hand either.Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
All I have to say is that anyone who jumps in on Intel's first gen 65nm chips is a moron. Not enough improvements for the money and lack of performance. I'm waiting for Conroe/Merom personally.
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
300 for that? Shens, to get a 630 to 4 GHz without it throttling you'd need at least an XP-90 and a decently powered fan, plus a good PSU.
Originally posted by: Socrilles
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
300 for that? Shens, to get a 630 to 4 GHz without it throttling you'd need at least an XP-90 and a decently powered fan, plus a good PSU.
The HSF that comes with the dell is actually fairly impressive/well designed, 4 ghz seems to be no problem, the original PSU did crap out though and I had to replace it with a antec 430 Watt PSU however I think this is more the power from my house then because of the actual PSU as my rails always read low on all my computers even the semprons with a beefy 480 Watt antec. Oh and it dual primed stable for 1 hr+ at 4 ghz and others have repeated my results.
Originally posted by: stevty2889
I don't think they require the new chipset, I think just the extreme editions will
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Socrilles
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
300 for that? Shens, to get a 630 to 4 GHz without it throttling you'd need at least an XP-90 and a decently powered fan, plus a good PSU.
The HSF that comes with the dell is actually fairly impressive/well designed, 4 ghz seems to be no problem, the original PSU did crap out though and I had to replace it with a antec 430 Watt PSU however I think this is more the power from my house then because of the actual PSU as my rails always read low on all my computers even the semprons with a beefy 480 Watt antec. Oh and it dual primed stable for 1 hr+ at 4 ghz and others have repeated my results.
Are you sure you aren't throttling at 4ghz? If you had to raise the vcore to get stable at 4ghz, then the throttling temp will be lower. Normaly throttling starts around 72c, but if you raise the vcore it will kick in at a lower temp.
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
And, Yonah has every bit as much potential for overclocking as Presler, if not more.
AT's opinion was different. The article actually mentioned that they dont expect Yonah to have much headroom as far as stock frequency and thus overclocking goes.
Originally posted by: Griswold
AT's opinion was different. The article actually mentioned that they dont expect Yonah to have much headroom as far as stock frequency and thus overclocking goes.
Originally posted by: Socrilles
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Socrilles
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
300 for that? Shens, to get a 630 to 4 GHz without it throttling you'd need at least an XP-90 and a decently powered fan, plus a good PSU.
The HSF that comes with the dell is actually fairly impressive/well designed, 4 ghz seems to be no problem, the original PSU did crap out though and I had to replace it with a antec 430 Watt PSU however I think this is more the power from my house then because of the actual PSU as my rails always read low on all my computers even the semprons with a beefy 480 Watt antec. Oh and it dual primed stable for 1 hr+ at 4 ghz and others have repeated my results.
Are you sure you aren't throttling at 4ghz? If you had to raise the vcore to get stable at 4ghz, then the throttling temp will be lower. Normaly throttling starts around 72c, but if you raise the vcore it will kick in at a lower temp.
I never mentioned raising the Vcore so I don't where your pulling that from, and in fact I am not raising Vcire (no options for this on a Dell motherboard) I soldered the processor ittself to set it at 266 fsb instead of 200, and its definitely not throttling, but instead I see even speed increases up to about 4.1 ghz while dual priming (according to CPU-Z).
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Socrilles
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Socrilles
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!
All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).
P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.
If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:
Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60
The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias
300 for that? Shens, to get a 630 to 4 GHz without it throttling you'd need at least an XP-90 and a decently powered fan, plus a good PSU.
The HSF that comes with the dell is actually fairly impressive/well designed, 4 ghz seems to be no problem, the original PSU did crap out though and I had to replace it with a antec 430 Watt PSU however I think this is more the power from my house then because of the actual PSU as my rails always read low on all my computers even the semprons with a beefy 480 Watt antec. Oh and it dual primed stable for 1 hr+ at 4 ghz and others have repeated my results.
Are you sure you aren't throttling at 4ghz? If you had to raise the vcore to get stable at 4ghz, then the throttling temp will be lower. Normaly throttling starts around 72c, but if you raise the vcore it will kick in at a lower temp.
I never mentioned raising the Vcore so I don't where your pulling that from, and in fact I am not raising Vcire (no options for this on a Dell motherboard) I soldered the processor ittself to set it at 266 fsb instead of 200, and its definitely not throttling, but instead I see even speed increases up to about 4.1 ghz while dual priming (according to CPU-Z).
Well I figured you had raised the vcore, getting to 4ghz on stock voltage is very very very unusual. CPUz isn't going to show throttling anyway, throttling does not change the clock speed. Throttlewatch doesn't seem to work correctly with dual cores either. S&M on the other hand which is better than dual prime95 for stress testing anyway, will show it.