Better yet, sell the half price 830 then use it to fund the X2 like I did.
Looks like I pissed the troll off, LOL.
Looks like I pissed the troll off, LOL.
secretanchitman
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look, none of us said that intel is superior. AMD is just a *better buy* now. it probably will be for some time. sure, that may be a good value system for intel, but im sure you can just switch out the intel cpu, mobo and memory for all amd. and all your prices and such, those are all MIRs im sure. yeah, it is, so you're going to pay full price to begin with and HOPE that all the rebates come in.
ugh, dont go around saying ____ is the best. each company has their pros and cons. intel has a higher OCing potential (as ive seen at sites) while amd has much lower heat output. crap like that.
and stop posting crap like this. makes me so irritated.
WTF are you talking about, I'm defending intel and saying that neither is really that superior and on top of it I'm saying intel is best bang for buck because of Dell, I could easily swap in a better video card and upgrade the amount of ram and make it a great system, my whole point was that you can try to built an AMD system for a similar price and I have and it is impossible.......again I am really confused as to what point you are making.....
300 for that? Shens, to get a 630 to 4 GHz without it throttling you'd need at least an XP-90 and a decently powered fan, plus a good PSU.
Hmmm...could that be another point on how the Intel compiler effects the AMD chips?
For example, the Sunfire X2100 has the same configuration but uses the Sun compiler.
SPECfp_rate_base2000 = 31.6
SPEC numbers usually paint Intel chips in a more favorable light than real-life apps because the compiler they use for SPEC is highly optimized for their own chips (I think they even use different switches depending on which family of chips is used). With that said, there's nothing to say that AMD has to use Intel's compiler, they're free to use whichever one they please.
I tend to agree...I notice that both HP and Sun have started to switch compilers...HP is using the Pathscale compiler.
Edit: BTW, for those who are interested in Spec numbers, you can find them for yourself here. In general, the Opterons run second to the Power series overall, with Intel running 3rd...
All I have to say is that anyone who jumps in on Intel's first gen 65nm chips is a moron. Not enough improvements for the money and lack of performance. I'm waiting for Conroe/Merom personally.
I don't think they'll be terrible, the Presler chip AT reviewed hit 4.25 GHz on stock cooling with a 3.4 GHz ES chip. I don't think I'd buy one, but I wouldn't immediately dismiss them off-hand either.
I agree...it's certainly a step forward, but isn't quite up to the level of AMD yet.
As to waiting for Conroe/Merom, it's still way too much of an unknown for me to wait. It seems like Intel is trying to "Osborne" AMD as much as possible...that's not a bad marketing strategy, but there are plenty of people out there who aren't buying the "Emporer's Clothes" bit (i.e. there is quite a bit of healthy cynicism still left in the marketplace).
I am looking forward to the actual release when we can see and compare the actual chips...
As for Yonah, again it's a good forward step...but I don't know how much being limited to 32bit is going to effect the sales (since 64bit Vista is due in August and even Valve have converted HL2 to 64bit).
Does any one think the conroe chips will come out ranging 2.8Ghz+ - I mean, the current Smiths and Presler duals are coming out at 2.8-3.46Ghz and are certainly capable of higher clocks, and then Yonah has been downclocked from 2.5Ghz to 2.16 to meet low power needs, so certainly a slightly longer pipeline and relaxed power envelope in conroe *should* allow higher clock speeds? Any one think smart marketing on Intel's behalf? Maybe they expect 3Ghz + clock speed for Conroe? No need for explaining lower clock speeds to clueless Joe Blogs.
btw, pure speculation
btw, pure speculation
The HSF that comes with the dell is actually fairly impressive/well designed, 4 ghz seems to be no problem, the original PSU did crap out though and I had to replace it with a antec 430 Watt PSU however I think this is more the power from my house then because of the actual PSU as my rails always read low on all my computers even the semprons with a beefy 480 Watt antec. Oh and it dual primed stable for 1 hr+ at 4 ghz and others have repeated my results.
Are you sure you aren't throttling at 4ghz? If you had to raise the vcore to get stable at 4ghz, then the throttling temp will be lower. Normaly throttling starts around 72c, but if you raise the vcore it will kick in at a lower temp.
ok, I updated the original posting on this thread to reflect much more detailed picture that is coming out.
the 945, 955, and 975 chipsets will work... if you can get a BIOS update out of the vendor. The 975 is only required for the Extreme Edition cpu...
the 945, 955, and 975 chipsets will work... if you can get a BIOS update out of the vendor. The 975 is only required for the Extreme Edition cpu...
I never mentioned raising the Vcore so I don't where your pulling that from, and in fact I am not raising Vcire (no options for this on a Dell motherboard) I soldered the processor ittself to set it at 266 fsb instead of 200, and its definitely not throttling, but instead I see even speed increases up to about 4.1 ghz while dual priming (according to CPU-Z).
An (exagerated?) version of the same issues... theinquirer story... makes you think if Yonah changes many of the old rules.
Well I figured you had raised the vcore, getting to 4ghz on stock voltage is very very very unusual. CPUz isn't going to show throttling anyway, throttling does not change the clock speed. Throttlewatch doesn't seem to work correctly with dual cores either. S&M on the other hand which is better than dual prime95 for stress testing anyway, will show it.
Man give it up, CPU-Z does give accurate clock speeds, dual prime 95 testing is done because of HT, I'm not using a dual core processor, and an overclock to 4 ghz on the 630's is actually fairly common now on stock volts, you are obviously ignorant when it comes to intel processors and how well they overclock, lastly the HS doesn't even get warm to the touch so I highly doubt there is any throttling. Running 4 ghz on dual core is rare. (i do see you have a dothan, so it surprises me you don't know how well the 630's clock) i have a 730 that I'm considering buying the adaptor for.
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