Intel 65nm chips in hand - now shipping - Pentium D 9xx

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Socrilles

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Socrilles

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Socrilles

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Socrilles
I get tired of people bashing Intel and saying AMD is teh ROxor!!!

All you AMD fans out there show me a better price to performance system then the one that follows (And I plan to upgrade to one of the 920 or 930 and locking at 266 fsb again).

P4 630 at 4 ghz
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb
DVD burner and DVD rom
160 gig sata HD
Radeon X300SE 128 mb
Win XP legal copy
Case, PSU, keyboard and mouse
all for $300 or $630 if you include the two 17" LCD monitors I got with it which could've been sold for $150+ each when I got it.

If Dell ever starts to use AMD, AMD will have a chance in the price/performance ring, but until then they don't:

Here is an AMD system I'm trying to put together/that could've been done
500 Watt Ultra X connect $10
Ultra X-Connnect case $5
200 gig maxtor PATA HD $33
DVD burner $22
512 mb of ddr $35
legal copy win XP $30
opteron 144 $150
DVD rom $10
x300SE $50
Motherboard $60

The system above will perform maybe as well as the dell, but requires a ton of deals and MIR's the dell had none of these stipulations.
And I own both a opty 165 and a opty 144, so don't accuse me of being bias

300 for that? Shens, to get a 630 to 4 GHz without it throttling you'd need at least an XP-90 and a decently powered fan, plus a good PSU.

The HSF that comes with the dell is actually fairly impressive/well designed, 4 ghz seems to be no problem, the original PSU did crap out though and I had to replace it with a antec 430 Watt PSU however I think this is more the power from my house then because of the actual PSU as my rails always read low on all my computers even the semprons with a beefy 480 Watt antec. Oh and it dual primed stable for 1 hr+ at 4 ghz and others have repeated my results.

Are you sure you aren't throttling at 4ghz? If you had to raise the vcore to get stable at 4ghz, then the throttling temp will be lower. Normaly throttling starts around 72c, but if you raise the vcore it will kick in at a lower temp.

I never mentioned raising the Vcore so I don't where your pulling that from, and in fact I am not raising Vcire (no options for this on a Dell motherboard) I soldered the processor ittself to set it at 266 fsb instead of 200, and its definitely not throttling, but instead I see even speed increases up to about 4.1 ghz while dual priming (according to CPU-Z).

Well I figured you had raised the vcore, getting to 4ghz on stock voltage is very very very unusual. CPUz isn't going to show throttling anyway, throttling does not change the clock speed. Throttlewatch doesn't seem to work correctly with dual cores either. S&M on the other hand which is better than dual prime95 for stress testing anyway, will show it.

Man give it up, CPU-Z does give accurate clock speeds, dual prime 95 testing is done because of HT, I'm not using a dual core processor, and an overclock to 4 ghz on the 630's is actually fairly common now on stock volts, you are obviously ignorant when it comes to intel processors and how well they overclock, lastly the HS doesn't even get warm to the touch so I highly doubt there is any throttling. Running 4 ghz on dual core is rare. (i do see you have a dothan, so it surprises me you don't know how well the 630's clock) i have a 730 that I'm considering buying the adaptor for.

You obviously don't understand how throttling works. Yes, CPUz shows accurate clock speeds..but throttling does NOT change the clock speed. It causes a duty cycle. It will idle parts of the proccessor every certain number of clock cycles, to try and bring down the temps, it does not affect the actual clock speed. I'm not saying that it's impossible for you to be running at 4ghz on stock vcore, just that it's a very rare case. And the heatsink SHOULD be hot to the touch if it's making good contact. My 550 ran at 3.91ghz, but throttled like mad until I switched to water. I have 4 Intel systems, 2 prescott engineering samples(well CPUz tells me one is a 6ghz Nocona, yeah right), an 830D, and a 725 Dothan. Since you have a single core, it wouldn't hurt you to run throttlewatch just to be sure, and other benchmarks would show as well. When I was overclocking my first prescott and didn't know how throttling worked, I had a heck of a time figuring out why my scores were getting worse at higher clock speeds. They don't make it extremely obvious when you are throttling, and the average person that doesn't know how things work, might never know. If you aren't throttling great, but if you don't know how throttling works, and haven't checked for it, then don't keep insisting that you aren't. I've overclocked every Intel CPU I've had, but the heat of the Prescotts can't be denied, and if you don't know what to look for they could be throttling without you ever knowing.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

You obviously don't understand how throttling works. Yes, CPUz shows accurate clock speeds..but throttling does NOT change the clock speed. It causes a duty cycle. It will idle parts of the proccessor ever certain number of clock cycles, to try and bring down the temps, it does not affect the actual clock speed. I'm not saying that it's impossible for you to be running at 4ghz on stock speeds, just that it's a very rare case. And the heatsink SHOULD be hot to the touch if it's making good contact. My 550 ran at 3.91ghz, but throttled like mad until I switched to water. I have 4 Intel systems, 2 prescotts engineering samples(well CPUz tells me one is a 6ghz Nocona, yeah right), an 830D, and a 725 Dothan. Since you have a single core, it wouldn't hurt you to run throttlewatch just to be sure, and other benchmarks would show as well. When I was overclocking my first prescott and didn't know how throttling worked, I had a heck of a time figuring out why my scores were getting worse at higher clock speeds. They don't make it extremely obvious when you are throttling, and the average person that doesn't know how things work, might never know. If you aren't throttling great, but if you don't know how throttling works, and haven't checked for it, then don't keep insisting that you aren't. I've overclocked every Intel CPU I've had, but the heat of the Prescotts can't be denied, and if you don't know what to look for they could be throttling without you ever knowing.

Socrilles, you should listen to Stevty...
1. He is absolutely correct
2. He invariably knows his stuff
3. As an Intel employee, I would probably discount his being an "AMD fanbois"...

 

[mrVW]

Bump, 1 day to go.... any sightings?

 

[mrVW]

Looks like they are going to be in hands this week (January 9).

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

lol

 

[Markfw]

who cares....

 

[Cookie Monster]

I want the conroes..

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: TankGuys

Originally posted by: Betwon

The price was right about PD,6xx in the past.
So we can believe the price.

Just an FYI, here's roughly what our prices are going to be:

BOX PENTIUM D 920 2.8GHZ ~ $275
BOX PENTIUM D 940 3.2GHZ ~ $466
BOX PENTIUM D 950 3.4GHZ ~ $690
BOX PENTIUM 4 661 3.6GHZ ~ $445
BOX PENTIUM 4 651 3.4GHZ ~ $309
BOX PENTIUM 4 641 3.2GHZ ~ $248
BOX PENTIUM 4 631 3.0GHZ ~ $206

Not out yet, but it's a reasonable estimate.

Yumm Yumm...

The 6x1 series looks to be a nice price

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: TankGuys

Originally posted by: Betwon

The price was right about PD,6xx in the past.
So we can believe the price.

Just an FYI, here's roughly what our prices are going to be:

BOX PENTIUM D 920 2.8GHZ ~ $275
BOX PENTIUM D 940 3.2GHZ ~ $466
BOX PENTIUM D 950 3.4GHZ ~ $690
BOX PENTIUM 4 661 3.6GHZ ~ $445
BOX PENTIUM 4 651 3.4GHZ ~ $309
BOX PENTIUM 4 641 3.2GHZ ~ $248
BOX PENTIUM 4 631 3.0GHZ ~ $206

Not out yet, but it's a reasonable estimate.

Yumm Yumm...

The 6x1 series looks to be a nice price

Whats so good about that ? As an Example, the AMD 3200 Venice is $160, runs faster, and cooler and takes less juice to run. So what is nice about spending more than 50% more for less perforance and more heat ? (compared to 641)

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: TankGuys

Originally posted by: Betwon

The price was right about PD,6xx in the past.
So we can believe the price.

Just an FYI, here's roughly what our prices are going to be:

BOX PENTIUM D 920 2.8GHZ ~ $275
BOX PENTIUM D 940 3.2GHZ ~ $466
BOX PENTIUM D 950 3.4GHZ ~ $690
BOX PENTIUM 4 661 3.6GHZ ~ $445
BOX PENTIUM 4 651 3.4GHZ ~ $309
BOX PENTIUM 4 641 3.2GHZ ~ $248
BOX PENTIUM 4 631 3.0GHZ ~ $206

Not out yet, but it's a reasonable estimate.

Yumm Yumm...

The 6x1 series looks to be a nice price

Whats so good about that ? As an Example, the AMD 3200 Venice is $160, runs faster, and cooler and takes less juice to run. So what is nice about spending more than 50% more for less perforance and more heat ? (compared to 641)

Whats so good about that? Well, it definately will not be running on the bug ridden nForce4 chipset; mark that down

 

[mrVW]

Update: I missed the email I got on Friday... but it showed up today fron Onsale.com.

For anyone interested in Linux Xen this is a big deal. Most only interested in "gaming speed" won't give a crap.

 

[Markfw]

nforce4 is not bug-ridden I have 3 of them, and there are a lot of people on this site. Even Tomshardware (which many despise) was able to run their stress-test using an nforce4 board with no problem, yet burned up 3 intel motherboards in the same timeframe. Are you just an Intel fanboy jlbenedict ?

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
nforce4 is not bug-ridden I have 3 of them, and there are a lot of people on this site. Even Tomshardware (which many despise) was able to run their stress-test using an nforce4 board with no problem, yet burned up 3 intel motherboards in the same timeframe. Are you just an Intel fanboy jlbenedict ?

Outside of the weird nforce4 firewall thing (which I disabled because it did a whole lot of weird things), I haven't had problems with mine either. I'm using the board that comes with the shuttle nforce4 barebone.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
nforce4 is not bug-ridden I have 3 of them, and there are a lot of people on this site. Even Tomshardware (which many despise) was able to run their stress-test using an nforce4 board with no problem, yet burned up 3 intel motherboards in the same timeframe. Are you just an Intel fanboy jlbenedict ?

No.. I'm neither. I currently run an X2 3800+ on an nForce4 board. My previous system was Intel, and prior to that was an AMD.. so I would hardly call myself a fanboy

 

[Tangerines]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: TankGuys

Originally posted by: Betwon

The price was right about PD,6xx in the past.
So we can believe the price.

Just an FYI, here's roughly what our prices are going to be:

BOX PENTIUM D 920 2.8GHZ ~ $275
BOX PENTIUM D 940 3.2GHZ ~ $466
BOX PENTIUM D 950 3.4GHZ ~ $690
BOX PENTIUM 4 661 3.6GHZ ~ $445
BOX PENTIUM 4 651 3.4GHZ ~ $309
BOX PENTIUM 4 641 3.2GHZ ~ $248
BOX PENTIUM 4 631 3.0GHZ ~ $206

Not out yet, but it's a reasonable estimate.

Yumm Yumm...

The 6x1 series looks to be a nice price

Whats so good about that ? As an Example, the AMD 3200 Venice is $160, runs faster, and cooler and takes less juice to run. So what is nice about spending more than 50% more for less perforance and more heat ? (compared to 641)

Virtualization technology and good overclockability?

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Tangerines

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: TankGuys

Originally posted by: Betwon

The price was right about PD,6xx in the past.
So we can believe the price.

Just an FYI, here's roughly what our prices are going to be:

BOX PENTIUM D 920 2.8GHZ ~ $275
BOX PENTIUM D 940 3.2GHZ ~ $466
BOX PENTIUM D 950 3.4GHZ ~ $690
BOX PENTIUM 4 661 3.6GHZ ~ $445
BOX PENTIUM 4 651 3.4GHZ ~ $309
BOX PENTIUM 4 641 3.2GHZ ~ $248
BOX PENTIUM 4 631 3.0GHZ ~ $206

Not out yet, but it's a reasonable estimate.

Yumm Yumm...

The 6x1 series looks to be a nice price

Whats so good about that ? As an Example, the AMD 3200 Venice is $160, runs faster, and cooler and takes less juice to run. So what is nice about spending more than 50% more for less perforance and more heat ? (compared to 641)

Virtualization technology and good overclockability?

VT is more useless right now than 64-bit exensions. Venices OC better than prescotts anyways.

Next?

 

[dmens]

VT is more useless right now than 64-bit exensions.

Really? I use VT at work, it is great.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: dmens

VT is more useless right now than 64-bit exensions.

Really? I use VT at work, it is great.

of course you do. You work for intel. But seriously. It will be nice for enthiusasts, but I'm fine running one platform right now.

 

[secretanchitman]

i think prescotts/cedar mills will OC great. 4Ghz is basically guaranteed.

 

[Tangerines]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Tangerines

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: TankGuys

Originally posted by: Betwon

The price was right about PD,6xx in the past.
So we can believe the price.

Just an FYI, here's roughly what our prices are going to be:

BOX PENTIUM D 920 2.8GHZ ~ $275
BOX PENTIUM D 940 3.2GHZ ~ $466
BOX PENTIUM D 950 3.4GHZ ~ $690
BOX PENTIUM 4 661 3.6GHZ ~ $445
BOX PENTIUM 4 651 3.4GHZ ~ $309
BOX PENTIUM 4 641 3.2GHZ ~ $248
BOX PENTIUM 4 631 3.0GHZ ~ $206

Not out yet, but it's a reasonable estimate.

Yumm Yumm...

The 6x1 series looks to be a nice price

Whats so good about that ? As an Example, the AMD 3200 Venice is $160, runs faster, and cooler and takes less juice to run. So what is nice about spending more than 50% more for less perforance and more heat ? (compared to 641)

Virtualization technology and good overclockability?

VT is more useless right now than 64-bit exensions. Venices OC better than prescotts anyways.

Next?

Venices overclock better than 90nm Prescotts, not 65nm ones.

 

[jlbenedict]

damn.. whats up with all the hatred from the AMD enthusiasts in this thread?

The original topic is about the release of 65nm chips.. and now its "the venice is better than this.. blah blah"...

Who cares? This isn't about AMD, and how much their overclockability is..
and no I do not work for Intel..

AMD needs competition from Intel, just like Intel needs it vice versa.. its good for the companies, and its even better for the consumer, such as ourselves....

So, please keep the hatred comments out of the thread... thats just my opinion..

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
damn.. whats up with all the hatred from the AMD enthusiasts in this thread?

The original topic is about the release of 65nm chips.. and now its "the venice is better than this.. blah blah"...

Who cares? This isn't about AMD, and how much their overclockability is..
and no I do not work for Intel..

AMD needs competition from Intel, just like Intel needs it vice versa.. its good for the companies, and its even better for the consumer, such as ourselves....

So, please keep the hatred comments out of the thread... thats just my opinion..

I agree completely, Intel needs to give AMD some competition, so where is it ? Not the 9xx series thats for sure. Hence my post.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
damn.. whats up with all the hatred from the AMD enthusiasts in this thread?

The original topic is about the release of 65nm chips.. and now its "the venice is better than this.. blah blah"...

Who cares? This isn't about AMD, and how much their overclockability is..
and no I do not work for Intel..

AMD needs competition from Intel, just like Intel needs it vice versa.. its good for the companies, and its even better for the consumer, such as ourselves....

So, please keep the hatred comments out of the thread... thats just my opinion..

I agree completely, Intel needs to give AMD some competition, so where is it ? Not the 9xx series thats for sure. Hence my post.

I think it is there with the XE model but not in the lower range non HT chips versus the staple of 3800+ to 4400+ chips....


For ocers the 920 or lower models may be nice.....especially if I can get performance close to mine now without spending 400 dollars....