Discussion Intel’s Unified Core

[inquiss]

nyo.

So it won't be?

 

[inquiss]

So it won't be?

If it's not, that's a lot of time in the future to not be on 14a

 

[adroc_thurston]

If it's not, that's a lot of time in the future to not be on 14a

Indeed, 18A will be with us for a while.

 

[inquiss]

Indeed, 18A will be with us for a while.

Which I guess means external foundry hype about 14a is bullshit?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Which I guess means external foundry hype about 14a is bullshit?

No, lol.
It's just not a 2028 node. That's it.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Indeed, 18A will be with us for a while.

Hope it gets to 6.5 GHz some day.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Hope it gets to 6.5 GHz some day.

18A? no.
Future nodes, yes.

 

[jdubs03]

18A? no.
Future nodes, yes.

Including 18AP…?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Including 18AP…?

and 18AU

 

[soresu]

and 18AU

That seems like a whopping downgrade if the transistors are nearly the diameter of Saturn's orbit! 😅

 

[Momoka_]

Including 18AP…?

Also, 18A-PT will feature in Coral Rapids and external foundry work.

 

[511]

Also, 18A-PT will feature in Coral Rapids and external foundry work.

18A-PT won't be featured in Coral if I have to guess

 

[mikk]

I don't think that's implied or likely. He would not call it E-Core for nothing.

It would be odd if he calls Golden Eagle a P-core, because it's really just an Artic Wolf refresh. I know from a very good other source that Copper Shark is a P-core in TTL and Intels first unified core. As I said he might be confused because Copper Shark is also made from the E-core team. The E-core in TTL will be the "old" one from RZL because the more dense version isn't ready.

 

[Thibsie]

Sorry to play semantics but how is Copper Shark a unified core if it is glued in the same cpu as an E core ?

It would be the first P core made by the usually E core team, yeah but unified where ?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Sorry to play semantics but how is Copper Shark a unified core if it is glued in the same cpu as an E core ?

It would be the first P core made by the usually E core team, yeah but unified where ?

Unified bit is later when they shift to fast/dense tracks.

 

[regen1]

I know from a very good other source that Copper Shark is a P-core in TTL and Intels first unified core. As I said he might be confused because Copper Shark is also made from the E-core team. The E-core in TTL will be the "old" one from RZL because the more dense version isn't ready.

Have heard the same thing but will wait for confirmation. Initially it seemed the P-core was based on Griffin Cove but recently changed to Coppershark. Jaykihn's info appears to be different, for now at least.
There were rumors saying Intel would relax its client release cadence which might be correct. TTL seems to be mid-2028/around Computex rather than CES 2028 reveal.
A bit odd that P-core variant of Coppershark is ready but E-core variant isn't considering the major differences should be in Cluster-size/cache and density optimization. But TTL is still too far away so there's possibility of changes.

 

[Khato]

Well, it's not like the CSK-P core is ready right now either 😉 I would imagine it's the priority though, so would make perfect sense that Intel might fall back to ARW for both E and LPE cores if necessary.

Thk unified core future certainly has promise. I'm most looking forward to seeing what approach Intel takes - meaningful differences in core architecture implementation resulting in 2x or greater area difference or just simple variations in cache size and clock speed targets? Sadly there haven't been any indicators on that front as of yet. Wht not have some fun speculating though, right?

 

[msj10]

Have heard the same thing but will wait for confirmation. Initially it seemed the P-core was based on Griffin Cove but recently changed to Coppershark. Jaykihn's info appears to be different, for now at least.
There were rumors saying Intel would relax its client release cadence which might be correct. TTL seems to be mid-2028/around Computex rather than CES 2028 reveal.
A bit odd that P-core variant of Coppershark is ready but E-core variant isn't considering the major differences should be in Cluster-size/cache and density optimization. But TTL is still too far away so there's possibility of changes.

so TTL is just 6 months later than RZL? sounds fake

 

[511]

so TTL is just 6 months later than RZL? sounds fake

TTL is not 6 month after Razer Mobile cause Razor Mobile U/P/H Doesn't exist.

 

[poke01]

Razor Mobile U/P/H Doesn't exist.

Source

 

[511]

Source

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044550900803313881

 

[Khato]

Indeed, don't expect to see another 'full' CPU family from Intel for awhile following NVL.

 

[poke01]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044550900803313881

That means Titan lake is early 2028. Wonder if they plan on supporting both lp5x and lp6.

Cause memory will make these laptops unobtainable if it’s lp6.

 

[511]

That means Titan lake is early 2028. Wonder if they plan on supporting both lp5x and lp6.

Cause memory will make these laptops unobtainable if it’s lp6.

No Titan is a bit later than Intel's regular schedule of CES for memory I guess tht should be the case if they want to ensure flexible transition.

 

[regen1]

so TTL is just 6 months later than RZL? sounds fake

Others have clarified this but to add mainstream RZL notebook series(RZL-H, RZL-M....) plans have been gone for some time apparently. RZL is primarily Desktop only with -HX series for laptops and possibly RZL-AX(Halo). Then there's RZL-WS tentatively for "HEDT type" platform.

This is what it looked like to me back then when I wasn't sure if TTL would necessarily incur a delayed cadence and/or possible core-changes. TTL very likely will have LPDDR6 support. For sure lot of things can get changed or cancelled.